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AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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Post by coldtea »

slibhb wrote: post #75
coldtea wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The same people that shout "Capitalism sucks, free us from our labor" are the exact same types that hate AI. The exact machine that will free you from your labor, when harnessed correctly, is the exact thing you hate. No, AI will only free us from our jobs, while still keeping the need to find money to feed ourselves. "When harnessed correctly" is exactly what wont happen, and exactly what all the structural and ec…

AI is a tool to increase productivity. Productivity has increased greatly over the past century, yet it's easier to feed ourselves than ever, and we have far more leisure time.

Somebody hasen't been paying attention in the past 40 years, and especially the last 20.

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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Post by simianwords »

xg15 wrote: post #83
slibhb wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marx pretty clearly envisions a future society where necessary labor is reduced to a minimum due to technology. The fact that modern leftists are (often) anti-technology is puzzling.

Maybe read the rest of Marx too, and not just that sentence. The point is not whether or not we have technology but who controls it.

As someone who has not read Marx you can clarify - how does it matter who controls the technology? The industrial revolution was not controlled by labour, it still mattered.

Marxism fundamentally is: productive forces change the society, meaning the technology that exists at that point in time shapes the way people think.

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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Post by slibhb »

coldtea wrote: post #91
slibhb wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is a tool to increase productivity. Productivity has increased greatly over the past century, yet it's easier to feed ourselves than ever, and we have far more leisure time.

Somebody hasen't been paying attention in the past 40 years, and especially the last 20.

Yeah, it's you. Real purchasing power is up over the past 20 years.

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Post by gruez »

james2doyle wrote: post #39
larodi wrote: post #17

This whole poisoning intent is so incredibly misappropriated, that I feel sad about it. First of all - there is enough content to train on already, that is not poisoned, and second - the other new content is largely populated in automated manner from the real world, and by workers in large shops in Africa, that are being paid to not produce shit. So yes, you can pollute the good old internet even more, but no, you ca…

You should check out "model collapse". It seems that an abundance of content, that is more and more AI generated these days, may not be a viable option. There is also a vast amount of data that is increasingly going private or behind paywalls

>You should check out "model collapse". It seems that an abundance of content, that is more and more AI generated these days, may not be a viable option.

Doom-saying about "model collapse" is kind of funny when OpenAI and Anthropic are mad at Chinese model makers for "distilling" their models, ie. using their outputs to train their own models.

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Post by cyclopeanutopia »

madamelic wrote: post #11

I do understand people's dislike / hatred for AI but I am equally baffled. I feel like the same people that shout "Capitalism sucks, free us from our labor" are the exact same types that hate AI. The exact machine that will free you from your labor, when harnessed correctly, is the exact thing you hate. The "cyber psychosis" thing is overblown just like the "Tesla ignites its passengers" is. The only reason it gets i…

The world already produces enough of everything that we could feed and clothe everyone, and yet it is not the case.

Care to explain why?

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Post by drcode »

tptacek wrote: post #9

I'm glad this person found community, but I think they've been a bit starstruck by concentrated interest. At no point in the next 30 years will there not be an active community of people who "loathe" AI and work to obstruct it. There are those people about smart phones, the Internet itself, even television. Meanwhile: the ability to poison models, if it can be made to work reliably, is a genuinely interesting CS ques…

> At no point in the next 30 years will there not be an active community of people who "loathe" AI and work to obstruct it.

Then I have good news for you: If humanity goes extinct in the next few years because of unaligned superintelligence, there actually will no longer "be an active community of people who loathe AI and work to obstruct it"

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Post by nkrisc »

madamelic wrote: post #11

I do understand people's dislike / hatred for AI but I am equally baffled. I feel like the same people that shout "Capitalism sucks, free us from our labor" are the exact same types that hate AI. The exact machine that will free you from your labor, when harnessed correctly, is the exact thing you hate. The "cyber psychosis" thing is overblown just like the "Tesla ignites its passengers" is. The only reason it gets i…

All I’ve been hearing is how AI will replace human workers with no mention of what those humans are supposed to do when they get replaced. I think people are rightfully concerned about that.

We’re automating the interesting work with AI and leaving the drudge work for humans.

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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Post by zoogeny »

xg15 wrote: post #58
zoogeny wrote: post #25

I often question my own bias on this because in my interactions with local non-tech people, the adoption of AI has pretty much affected everyone I know and it is by my estimation a majority positive reaction. I live in a fairly rural part of the PNW. So when I read "People hate what AI is doing to our world." it honestly feels like either I am completely deluded or the author is. It feels like a high school bully say…

> teachers Given all the borderline apocalyptic articles how students are using it to cheat and teachers have no way to stop them, I'd be honestly surprised by that.

All I can offer is my anecdotal experience. One teacher was describing his usage to generate quizzes on material. He gets course material in the form of pdfs, uploads it to the AI and gets it to generate questions.

On the flip side, one of my other teacher friends has instituted a no phone policy in his classroom.

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