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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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This sounds great. I would've loved to have set my phone to charge up to only 60% or 80% of its design capacity to reduce wear. I do this on my laptop.

I charge my s25 to 80%. Previous phone (pixel) was also limited to 80%, but radio stopped working after 2 years so I had to buy a new phone.

Same for my s24, 80% battery limit and slow charging at night (most of my charging). It's been over 2 years and the battery seems to last just as long as day one

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Cookie banners is malicious compliance. The ultimate goal being for you yo think it was bad legislation instead of how every company is fucking you for your privacy. They’re winning.

It was bad legislation because it didn't achieve anything except make visiting websites more annoying. I don't care what the politicians intended. The outcome is no improvement in privacy but more annoying banners.

The cookie banners typically have an opt out. How is that not a privacy improvement?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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> the lobbyists managed to get a loophole in the law - exempting Apple & Co But Apple batteries are already user replaceable? I've replaced my own and batteries come with kits that have all the tools and disposable glue strips and seals.

That is not "user replaceable" by any reasonable definition.

I suppose what is "reasonable" might be different for different people. I already had pentalob bits although a fresh spudger is always welcome. But these are not exotic tools. The "glue" under the battery was a bit like "command strips" commonly used to hang things from walls.

It is interesting to think about the range of physical tool usage that is within a reasonable expectation. Is owning and being able to operate an implement to open and replace a battery in a simple watch like the Casio F91W reasonable?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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A lot of discussion about 'whether its needed' or 'moving a needle'. Batteries were swappable back in the day, and later on someone figured that making battery suck, can drive you to buy a new phone - because it is harder to degrade the rest of the device faster. Then we accepted that you cannot play around the battery, bcs that's the reality of things. So many people won't even think about it - but it does not mean it is not needed. I would love to make my device much better with swapping battery as many time as needed.

But then I think someone will figure out to make these batteries so expensive, that it won't change a thing.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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I can't speak to the experience with Android but Apple offers both in-store battery replacement or Mail-in battery replacement for $70-120 which to me seems very reasonable. Could it be cheaper? Sure, maybe I guess? But $70-120 is a lot less than a new phone. And this way we don't need to compromise the shell of the phone with seams and things that can fail. https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

> And this way we don't need to compromise the shell of the phone with seams and things that can fail. My older Samsung Galaxy had an easy clip-off back cover and easily replaceable battery. Nothing related to that ever failed. Whereas two newer Pixel phones have had issues with the back cover glue coming loose, leading to interior damage. Given that, the idea that a case that can be opened easily “compromises the sh…

Can you keep the same water-resistant standards with a removable cover? In my head that's the main tradeoff

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt from this, which is exactly what Apple implemented a few years ago. Low cost phones will be most affected.

1000 cycles is barely 3 years, that's far too low a number

1 Cycle is discharging from 100-0 and charging from 0-100, regardless of how many times the phone is charged, so for a user that averages 50% battery drain each day, 1000 cycles would actually be ~6 years. I have no idea what the actual average is, but I'm betting that 1000 cycles is at least 4 years for the average user and possibly significantly longer.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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The rest of that same sentence, " – and that if specialised tools are required, they must be provided free of charge when the phone or tablet is purchased," seems to mitigate that concern, no? I suppose it hinges on what the test for a "specialized tool" is.

EU regulatory bodies haven’t been as blindly sycophantic towards megacorporations in terms of allowing them to skirt by rules set forth by their legislatures, so I would be more optimistic than if this were a development in US law.

If people wanted replaceable batteries in the US, companies would sell them.

There's big conspiracy here. They just don't matter to most people.

And this regulation is really bad and will harm innovation for very little to no value.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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the secondary market for old phones seems strong?

Because people don't understand the security implications of non-updated software?

Phones cannot have non-updated software due to another EU Regulation: Cyber Resilience Act. You need to support devices at least for 5 years starting from December 2027.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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> and then pay $99 to have Apple professionally install a new battery for me in 3-4 years In 3-4 years yes, but how about in 10-15 years? Apple will refuse to take your money then. > Apple will send you the entire toolkit if you want complete with a return label. Which is malicious compliance. They should allow the friendly neighborhood repair shop to purchase a toolkit so you can choose who does the repairs for you.

Will we even have a compatible wireless standards in 15 years?

Probably. I mean, I don't even remember what standard my home wifi is on. It works, it's fast enough. Sometimes I think about upgrading the AP but why bother?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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I can't speak to the experience with Android but Apple offers both in-store battery replacement or Mail-in battery replacement for $70-120 which to me seems very reasonable. Could it be cheaper? Sure, maybe I guess? But $70-120 is a lot less than a new phone. And this way we don't need to compromise the shell of the phone with seams and things that can fail. https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

how long are you willing to be without your phone? banking apps, public transit tickets, calls, messages, digital signatures. this is luxury not many can afford these days to be offline for days.

There are many small shops that swap batteries just fine in an hour, at least in Europe.
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