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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by junon »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

> Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd).

This is the reason why a lot of us make music. Writing orchestral pieces is my own meditation. I don't share most of them, and replacing them with AI would defeat the purpose.

Please keep learning it! The world needs more musicians, even if we never hear them.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by Bud »

SwellJoe wrote: post #48

This shit is so dark. I mean, popular music has always been pretty formulaic, and prone to imitation and trite bullshit, but at least when humans were making it, you'd occasionally get some spark of genius, real originality, even in the most mundane forms. I use LLMs for code every day, but if I could flip a switch to turn it all off and prevent this shit from happening to the arts, I probably would.

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by advisedwang »

> 85% of these streams are detected as fraudulent and demonetized by the company

This is the nut. This isn't actual AI generated music. It isn't intended to be real music that people listen and enjoy. It's just filler to populate tracks that pay out to scammers, so that scammers can direct bots and hijacked accounts to play their tracks and steal a share of the platform revenue.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by kaiokendev »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

There are still several avenues for this, and I imagine they'll continue to exist even in a mostly-AI-enhanced world. You'll need to dedicate time to finding them.

For example, Battle of the Bits [0] is a community all about chiptune music. I'm sure you _could_ use AI to help you learn and produce some things, but the community is mostly about sharing ideas about what works at the electronic level, so even if AI became super capable, it wouldn't help you engage with the community in any meaningful way. There are several such communities across different domains and I imagine they aren't going anywhere anytime soon, regardless of how much improvement happens w.r.t. AI, since the focus is on "what you learned" and not so much "what you did".

Similarly, I have seen communities focused entirely on Silicon Graphics workstations, or pc-98 internals. Human passion-based communities aren't going anywhere, Google just makes it incredibly hard to find them outside of word-of-mouth.

[0] https://battleofthebits.com

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by StilesCrisis »

strangegecko wrote: post #119
TyrunDemeg101 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I 100% agree with this and have found it to entirely be my own drive for learning and creating. For me it is beyond trying to make money or become famous, it is simply to enjoy the journey and the creativity that comes with creating music.

> For me it is beyond trying to make money or become famous, To clarify, when I speak of "approval", I'm not imagining a successful career or financial success. It's much more basic, i.e. having a few people tell me they genuinely like something I created would do that. > it is simply to enjoy the journey and the creativity that comes with creating music. It's unfortunately not simple for me (again, context of long t…

Uh, have you tried rhythm games?

You can scratch the same music-exploration itch with a much lower time commitment and get the same thrill of accomplishment as you improve. There is also a built-in crowd of other players at any skill level that you can share your achievements with.

It's not the same glassy-eyed state as you'd get with normal video games, TV, or doom scrolling at all. You will need to focus and clear the mind.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by wao0uuno »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #116
wao0uuno wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, vibe coded games with AI slop soundtrack. The future of gaming couldn't look any brighter.

That might be true, but if you watch some of the youtube videos from solo game devs where they spend 5 years making a game, and come out with 28k in sales. Anything that brings a game concept to market faster I think is a win for everyone.

Not really. We don't need more games. We need better quality games made with passion. More than a thousand new games are added to Steam every week. It's all just noise.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by JodieBenitez »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

> I've always struggled to enjoy anything that doesn't involve other people in some way

Well... play in band/orchestra ? You get to meet people, interact with them, build with them, etc.

I've been making music solo using various machines and computers all my life and I love it, but it's probably not for everyone. Yes, you're alone. Yes, (almost) nobody cares, so if you can't enjoy the process there is no point really.

() from time to time someone will show some interest but let's face it: there's just too much good music released everyday, competing with other distractions for the attention of the people.

For people like me, AI doesn't change much, it's another tool. We've been abusing technology in music for decades.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by fooker »

jasongrishkoff wrote: post #15

I've been working hard at this over at SubmitHub, developing a way to detect AI songs: https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker These days roughly 20% of the songs coming through our platform for promotion are AI-generated. Roughly 75% of them are honest and declare their AI usage - but another 25% try to hide it. Some of them are actually writing scripts to "clean" their audio so that it can bypass detection.

Do not try to solve an unsolvable problem, you'll end up hurting real users quite a bit more than you might imagine. Imagine new enthusiastic users trying your platform getting hit with an AI label because of inevitable false positives.

'Detecting AI' is not a problem that has real solutions, the only avenue is something supply side like synthid. But that harms users too, by introducing further barriers for indie users.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by iainctduncan »

Grifters' gonna grift. The streaming indy pop world is toast.

On the other hand, this does seem to be rekindling, at least somewhat, an interest in people going to see small shows of real people making music. Which was historically what music was about for the vast majority of our human history. Mass market pop as a viable business was a particularly 20th century anomaly.

And oddly, in people buying real vinyl by real people.

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