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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by devindotcom »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #9
devindotcom wrote: post #3

however you might feel about AI generated media, flooding platforms with unlabeled slop is nothing but scammer behavior and we should take serious measures to disincentivize it for both the uploaders and service providers. I do suspect we are in for a lot of verified-human platforms where your fee goes to supporting establishing an artist or author's humanity beyond a reasonable doubt.

What does human verification look like when you grant that it’s impossible to tell?

I don't grant it. if you mean it is impossible to tell from the music itself, perhaps. but there are other means of verification.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

saaaaaam wrote: post #7
captainkrtek wrote: post #2

Do any of the major streaming platforms have a stance against AI generated music?

No, not really. Spotify is trialling a voluntary “AI Credits” thing where people can highlight use of AI when they release music. https://support.spotify.com/lc/artists/article/ai-credits/ The problem is that subjective judgements by streaming platforms on where an AI line is drawn in music production is difficult. If you human-write a song but use AI to produce a synth stem or bass stem and then mix it down and use…

There's a whole spectrum from sfw to nsfw but we don't give up and allow porn on every platform because drawing the line is "difficult". We can use common sense and taste, with all their flaws.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by chromacity »

saaaaaam wrote: post #7
captainkrtek wrote: post #2

Do any of the major streaming platforms have a stance against AI generated music?

No, not really. Spotify is trialling a voluntary “AI Credits” thing where people can highlight use of AI when they release music. https://support.spotify.com/lc/artists/article/ai-credits/ The problem is that subjective judgements by streaming platforms on where an AI line is drawn in music production is difficult. If you human-write a song but use AI to produce a synth stem or bass stem and then mix it down and use…

Honestly, debating these corner cases feels like a distraction tactic. The reality is that the bulk of that 44% is total AI slop: one-sentence prompts entered into Suno to generate 1,000 tracks and extract money from subscribers who stream in the background.

It's the same thing with writing. No one cares that you asked a chatbot to help you reword a paragraph in your essay. The problem is zero-effort slop delivered by the truckload to your social media feed.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by jasongrishkoff »

I've been working hard at this over at SubmitHub, developing a way to detect AI songs: https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker

These days roughly 20% of the songs coming through our platform for promotion are AI-generated. Roughly 75% of them are honest and declare their AI usage - but another 25% try to hide it. Some of them are actually writing scripts to "clean" their audio so that it can bypass detection.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by somewhatgoated »

devindotcom wrote: post #11
hombre_fatal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does human verification look like when you grant that it’s impossible to tell?

I don't grant it. if you mean it is impossible to tell from the music itself, perhaps. but there are other means of verification.

A human can still upload tons of AI generated music though?

I don’t see how verifying that the author is a human helps in any way.

I also don’t think it’s a big problem but that’s another discussion

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by harrall »

chromacity wrote: post #14
saaaaaam wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not really. Spotify is trialling a voluntary “AI Credits” thing where people can highlight use of AI when they release music. https://support.spotify.com/lc/artists/article/ai-credits/ The problem is that subjective judgements by streaming platforms on where an AI line is drawn in music production is difficult. If you human-write a song but use AI to produce a synth stem or bass stem and then mix it down and use…

Honestly, debating these corner cases feels like a distraction tactic. The reality is that the bulk of that 44% is total AI slop: one-sentence prompts entered into Suno to generate 1,000 tracks and extract money from subscribers who stream in the background. It's the same thing with writing. No one cares that you asked a chatbot to help you reword a paragraph in your essay. The problem is zero-effort slop delivered b…

It’s not a corner case when you have to enforce it.

Someone will end up in the middle and then you’ll be responsible for accepting or rejecting it.

The bulk is obvious but the debate isn’t for the obvious.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by hombre_fatal »

devindotcom wrote: post #11
hombre_fatal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does human verification look like when you grant that it’s impossible to tell?

I don't grant it. if you mean it is impossible to tell from the music itself, perhaps. but there are other means of verification.

What are any reasonable examples of how you can verify a song wasn't AI-generated?

e.g. Game speedrunners film the whole process to prove they did it themselves.

Presumably you had some ideas when you envisioned "human-verified platforms".

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by somewhatgoated »

chromacity wrote: post #14
saaaaaam wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not really. Spotify is trialling a voluntary “AI Credits” thing where people can highlight use of AI when they release music. https://support.spotify.com/lc/artists/article/ai-credits/ The problem is that subjective judgements by streaming platforms on where an AI line is drawn in music production is difficult. If you human-write a song but use AI to produce a synth stem or bass stem and then mix it down and use…

Honestly, debating these corner cases feels like a distraction tactic. The reality is that the bulk of that 44% is total AI slop: one-sentence prompts entered into Suno to generate 1,000 tracks and extract money from subscribers who stream in the background. It's the same thing with writing. No one cares that you asked a chatbot to help you reword a paragraph in your essay. The problem is zero-effort slop delivered b…

Who is listening to that crap anyway when you got literal decades worth of great music to choose from?
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