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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by krat0sprakhar »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #86
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

You're not wasting your time, my friend. But you've got to be very certain and honest as to why you want to learn that. If your goal is being heard and appreciated, well, you better reconsider. If you're doing it for your own pleasure and pure love of art, absolutely do go on, without any expectations. It may or may not take off, but the samurai must not care.

Can't agree with this more. I also started learning guitar and producing music very recently. I have no interest in getting heard and appreciated (on most days atleast).

It has been a tremendously rewarding journey to create new music and see myself improve. 10/10 would do again.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by pesus »

mikojan wrote: post #95
SwellJoe wrote: post #48

This shit is so dark. I mean, popular music has always been pretty formulaic, and prone to imitation and trite bullshit, but at least when humans were making it, you'd occasionally get some spark of genius, real originality, even in the most mundane forms. I use LLMs for code every day, but if I could flip a switch to turn it all off and prevent this shit from happening to the arts, I probably would.

"Probably"? I'd hit that a thousand times just to be sure. Don't understand how one can experience anything but infinite dread when confronted with the effects of these models on the arts. Maybe I am getting old. But I don't think so...

If I had to guess, I'd say that it's actually more of a young person thing to want to get rid of all AI. I've only ever seen older people wearing a shirt with an AI generated image on it.

I would absolutely push that button a thousand times as well.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

UncleMeat wrote: post #73
ymolodtsov wrote: post #36

Most of the videos uploaded to YouTube are worthless. AI simplifies the creation, doesn't mean it's good and will be listened to. And if it will, then what's the problem? You can talk about ethics, IP, etc. but we're not even there yet.

AI creation kills cultural sharing. People who create AI music are largely not sharing it with others for any reason other than to create a revenue stream. They are also not consuming new AI music to be able to develop influences and synthesize new ideas. The system builds brick walls where there was once osmosis. How can art evolve under these conditions?

Why are some crafts more sacred than others?

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by SwellJoe »

mikojan wrote: post #95
SwellJoe wrote: post #48

This shit is so dark. I mean, popular music has always been pretty formulaic, and prone to imitation and trite bullshit, but at least when humans were making it, you'd occasionally get some spark of genius, real originality, even in the most mundane forms. I use LLMs for code every day, but if I could flip a switch to turn it all off and prevent this shit from happening to the arts, I probably would.

"Probably"? I'd hit that a thousand times just to be sure. Don't understand how one can experience anything but infinite dread when confronted with the effects of these models on the arts. Maybe I am getting old. But I don't think so...

I mean, there are some positive uses for the technology, some will likely save lives and advance the frontier in medicine and science. The ways it's able to automate research tasks is a pretty big deal. And, even though I know that, I think with the harm it's doing to our humanity with all this slop overwhelming everything (the web is now more slop than human, YouTube and every music streaming app soon will be), it's maybe not worth it. I don't know how to balance those two things. And, I don't know how you'd regulate it to make it safe, even if we had politicians anywhere who wanted to.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by dukeofdoom »

wao0uuno wrote: post #107
dukeofdoom wrote: post #85

I can see this being useful for solo game devs

Ah yes, vibe coded games with AI slop soundtrack. The future of gaming couldn't look any brighter.

That might be true, but if you watch some of the youtube videos from solo game devs where they spend 5 years making a game, and come out with 28k in sales. Anything that brings a game concept to market faster I think is a win for everyone.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by chasd00 »

jasongrishkoff wrote: post #15

I've been working hard at this over at SubmitHub, developing a way to detect AI songs: https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker These days roughly 20% of the songs coming through our platform for promotion are AI-generated. Roughly 75% of them are honest and declare their AI usage - but another 25% try to hide it. Some of them are actually writing scripts to "clean" their audio so that it can bypass detection.

do you have any idea on what percentage of musicians use AI to create the song and then also create the sheet music so they can play it themselves? That seems like a decent workflow, use AI to get the song right, and then record yourself playing it with you're own creative tweaks. That's kind of how I do AI assisted coding.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by throwaway27448 »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #36

Most of the videos uploaded to YouTube are worthless. AI simplifies the creation, doesn't mean it's good and will be listened to. And if it will, then what's the problem? You can talk about ethics, IP, etc. but we're not even there yet.

> AI simplifies the creation, doesn't mean it's good and will be listened to. And if it will, then what's the problem?

From this attitude you might as well get your entertainment from spam or ads.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by strangegecko »

TyrunDemeg101 wrote: post #102
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not wasting your time, my friend. But you've got to be very certain and honest as to why you want to learn that. If your goal is being heard and appreciated, well, you better reconsider. If you're doing it for your own pleasure and pure love of art, absolutely do go on, without any expectations. It may or may not take off, but the samurai must not care.

I 100% agree with this and have found it to entirely be my own drive for learning and creating. For me it is beyond trying to make money or become famous, it is simply to enjoy the journey and the creativity that comes with creating music.

> For me it is beyond trying to make money or become famous,

To clarify, when I speak of "approval", I'm not imagining a successful career or financial success. It's much more basic, i.e. having a few people tell me they genuinely like something I created would do that.

> it is simply to enjoy the journey and the creativity that comes with creating music.

It's unfortunately not simple for me (again, context of long term burnout / depression etc). If I only go by enjoyment, I will watch TV and maybe read and go on bike rides until the end of my days. But that is not fulfilling in the long term. I have a creative drive, but it's rather intermittent and not enough to consistently want to do the work involved. I'm trying to nurture it.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by mcmcmc »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

Step 1: ditch the DAW and learn a real instrument

Step 2: find a local jam group or community band/orchestra

Step 3: have fun playing music with friends

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