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Re: Jewish Problems

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Well in the first place framing this discussion mostly around jews is precisely the problem. Don't you understand why it is offensive? The same way it's offensive when my jewish relatives claim the Nazi genocide was the worst catastrophe in all history , conveniently forgetting the Cultural Revolution, the Cambodian Killing Fields, the Armenian Genocide etc etc So I don't like the use of the word "anti-semitism" in t…

Sorry, I don't see the offense in framing a discussion around one instance of something. Don't get me wrong, if someone claims to be fighting for a general cause and then repeatedly talks about one instance, that's wrong. But I really don't see a problem with someone offering a story about one instance. At no point did the OP imply that there was no discrimination against other groups. Claiming that the Holocaust (I'…

what exactly is the problem with Jews talking about ways in which they were hurt as a group in the past?

The problem is with shmerl saying we can't use the phrase "affirmative action".

At no point did the OP imply that there was no discrimination against other groups.

From the Frenkel article: "People of other nationalities, like Tatars and Armenians, against whom there were prejudices and persecution—though not nearly on the same scale as against the Jews"

One who thinks the Soviets hurt anyone more than the Ukrainians and Chechens is deluded.

Re: Jewish Problems

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Until 1989, to be precise. Incidentally, during Perestroika the society was changing at such a high rate that what was hard to imagine just three months before was becoming routine. Now looking back 20+ years it is so difficult to reconstruct the timeline.

Well, I know when Perestroika started, but I gave it a bit of a margin, since I can't say for sure when precisely it affected this discrimination. It's known to be gone for sure in the 1990s. Could be, it started in 1989.

I remember it well -- many of my friends and myself were affected, so we kept a close eye on that, and the memory is still alive.

Re: Jewish Problems

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Guys, I studied in Moscow Institute of Pysics and technology, top technical university in the former USSR - I had in my class people who won International Olympiads in physics, math, chemistry, computer science. Those problems are average or below - you could meet them on math entrance exams to economics specialization. Problems are of the level of district\city math olympiads. I'm sure that jewish people as well as…

I see. Please take a look at a partial collection of references at http://kerosinka.livejournal.com/1633.html -- it contains memoirs, discussions, and some bibliography.

I believe, issue was not the final numbers - % of Jewish people/Jewish population was the highest compare to other nations in the USSR. Number of Jewish professors, academics and billionaries with academic background is amazing.

I understand why USSR did that. Government sponsored education. Number of places in best universities was very limited, it was nation's genome and capital. People who supposed to develop new weapons and economy. Soviet government did not trust Jewish people - as we see from the history, Jewish people were often the first who left the country in case of problems. It was hard to imagine that they will become Soviet patriots. That's why USSR came up with artificial barriers in order to give more places in universities to more potentionally patriotic students. USSR wanted to save its intelligent capital investment and feel more save.

The problem was the rude way how artificial barrier was created by USSR. Instead of organizing super-complex writing exams for Jewish people, or making ideological interviews they tried to eliminate them with fake oral exams.

See below how US handles the same issue with asian students (reposted from user continuations).

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2011/04.... "Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

In Russia a minority like Jews are asked special questions in admission tests to make it harder for them to get in, while in America a minority like Asians are hit with a penalty of 450 points in SAT to make it harder (15 times harder) for them to get in. There's no difference.

Re: Jewish Problems

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I think America will soon be having a Holocaust problem. http://www.infowars.com/poll-nearly-one-third-of-americans-w...

Well, Hitler was inspired by the american concentration camps for native americans to build his own concentration camps for Jews: “Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circl…

Hitler got his concentration camp Idea from the Soviet Jewish model. The soviets had the GULAGS and GAS chambers.THe only exception was that The Soviets camps were for extermination and Hitler’s camps were for labour and reformation back in to society.There is not one Nazi document that reveals an extermination program to this date .The bodies are being pushed in to pits by British bull dozers not German.All the rounding up of people anywhere anytime is horrific and deplorable.Freedom loving Americans could very well be next as our Government refused to go after the Soviets that attacked Poland as well.The US ,USSR and Great Britain now rule the world.This is the exact thing that they accused Hitler of allegedly trying to accomplish.Go figure.
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