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IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by bluGill »

MiscIdeaMaker99 wrote: post #262
usui wrote: post #5

It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. This adoption rate is ridiculous despite basically all network interfaces supporting it. I thought I would see IPv6 take over in my lifetime as the default for platforms to build on but I can see I was wrong. Enterprise and commercial companies are literally going to hold back internet progress around 60 to 75 years because it's in their best interest to ensure users…

Since when was there ever a plan to disable IPv4 on the Internet? Just because IPv6 is around doesn't mean that IPv4 is going to go away.

That was always the plan for "the future". That is get everyone to IPv6 and then get rid of IPv4. IPv4's days are numbered - but the number looks really big.

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Post by kstrauser »

Galanwe wrote: post #241
FridgeSeal wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at a place where they refused to run it _anywhere_ because a couple of people were insistent that it was “insecure”.

... and they were right. v6 adoption is often an all or nothing, because if you run both stacks, you have to ensure they are consistent. While you can reasonably do it on your home LAN, doing it across an entire infrastructure is the worst. Now you have to make sure all your subnets, routing, VLANs, firewall rules, etc work exactly the same in two protocols that have very little in common. It is the equivalent of shi…

I genuinely don’t understand this. The concepts are nearly identical between the two.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by 1317 »

michh wrote: post #255
IshKebab wrote: post #159

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IPv4 is going to be a necessity for many many decades no matter what Microsoft do. Even when IPv6 is at 99%, people aren't going to want 1 in every 100 people to not be able to access their site at all. It'll need to be like 99.9% before we start seeing serious IPv6-only services.

I don't know what the percentage would be, but we do have some historical precedent that could give us a clue. Best one I can think of is when bigger websites started actually dropping SSLv3 and TLSv1.0 (and later TLSv1.1) support, cutting off older browsers and operating systems. Google and Amazon still support TLSv1.0, but plenty of others (including Microsoft) have dropped 1.0 and 1.1. HN itself doesn't accept 1.1…

a browser you at least have the ability to change though. if your ISP doesn't offer v6 you're SOL really

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by nzeid »

mgulick wrote: post #295

I get an IPv6 address from my ISP (a /56 I believe), but I wish there was some good information on how to update my OpenWRT VLAN configuration, routing, and firewall rules to be able to support native IPv6 on my devices. Would love to be able to have direct IPv6 connections to the internet from my devices, but I want to make sure I can do it safely.

This was surprisingly complicated for me on Altice/Optimum, which is why my home didn't have IPv6 for a while even after they started provisioning.

We actually have a /128 address only, and had to tweak several settings including enabling IPv6 masquerading (NAT).

I haven't the slightest clue why they didn't give us a block.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by bluGill »

cowsandmilk wrote: post #74
drpixie wrote: post #59

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>> It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. Well, the curve has got to level-out at 100%.

No, it can level out below that and is (as the parent was saying).

How far below is the question. It could level out at 60% - that is believable. However it can't level out at 99% - Somewhere around 95% major sites will decide IPv4 isn't worth supporting and they will just ignore that final 5% of customers, which will force them to upgrade - which in turn will give others confidence to remove their final 4% of customers - until IPv4 dies.

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

ViscountPenguin wrote: post #68
denkmoon wrote: post #33

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Outdated beliefs probably. When I talk about v6 support in our b2b saas, PM laughs and says nobody uses that shit. Big tech are massive laggards on this funnily enough.

It's because big tech is USA based mostly, where there's still a glut of ipv4 available.

IPv4 was exhausted at ARIN in 2011. Last time I bought a /24 on the open market, it was around $6k. I assume it is much more, now.

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Post by kstrauser »

panny wrote: post #43
usui wrote: post #5

It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. This adoption rate is ridiculous despite basically all network interfaces supporting it. I thought I would see IPv6 take over in my lifetime as the default for platforms to build on but I can see I was wrong. Enterprise and commercial companies are literally going to hold back internet progress around 60 to 75 years because it's in their best interest to ensure users…

I don't want IPv6. Why would I? It's like a permanent global cookie. You're uniquely tagged and identifiable on every website you visit. >it's in their best interest to ensure users can't host services without them. They'll just keep blocking port 25. IPv6 won't change anything with regards to self hosting.

> You're uniquely tagged and identifiable on every website you visit.

Almost every modern OS enables IPv6 privacy extensions, ie address randomization, by default.

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