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Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by Hikikomori »

dtech wrote: post #42
waynesonfire wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. That makes sense. The majority of IPv6 deployment is mobile. The next wave of adoption requires ISPs start offering residential IPv6. Once this happens, router manufacturers will innovate around the IPv6 offering as a differentiator, making it easy to deploy by end-users. IPv6 wifi APs will then become ubiqutious and so forth across other services. Has to start wit…

ISPs in the US and Europe mostly have been offering IPv6 for a while now

Other than France or Germany its far from mostly.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by direwolf20 »

purerandomness wrote: post #52

IPv6 will never make it. Maybe IPv8 [0], which IPv6 should have actually looked like: > 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 [0] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-00.html

Why do people keep proposing alternatives to IPv6 that are no easier than IPv6 but still require the whole world to start the deployment over from 0%?

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by cowsandmilk »

drpixie wrote: post #59
usui wrote: post #5

It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. This adoption rate is ridiculous despite basically all network interfaces supporting it. I thought I would see IPv6 take over in my lifetime as the default for platforms to build on but I can see I was wrong. Enterprise and commercial companies are literally going to hold back internet progress around 60 to 75 years because it's in their best interest to ensure users…

>> It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. Well, the curve has got to level-out at 100%.

No, it can level out below that and is (as the parent was saying).

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by Mashimo »

I wonder why Germany has a relative high adoption rate with 77%? They are normally behind when it comes to new technology.

Is it because they have more carrier NAT?

In Denmark I can get cheap 1 / 1 Gbit/s fiber, but still no ipv6 :(

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

direwolf20 wrote: post #70
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #61

At home, I use an Android 16 Pixel phone, and a Chromebook, and I would suspect (but cannot prove) that 100% of my LAN outages can be blamed on the dual-stacking nature of IPv6 plus IPv4. Chris Siebenmann has written extensively on IPv6: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/?search=ipv6 Google has some weird way of asserting connectivity, and I suspect that when connectivity on one protocol is lost, it is impossible t…

I am rather infuriated that it's impossible to disable IPv4 on my devices, so does that make us even?

Yes I believe so!

I recently purchased a brand-new LaserJet printer, and since it needs nothing to do with the Internet or a WAN outside my home, I thought it'd be great to simply disable IPv4 and stop doing the DHCP dance.

Well it immediately fell off the net completely. I couldn't figure out how to expose its IPv6 address or contact its management interface.

Hypothetically, Bonjour and mDNS should make this a no-brainer. Hypothetically, disabling IPv4 shouldn't even prevent it from connecting to the Internet. But I was ultimately forced to factory-reset it.

IPv6-only LAN makes a lot of sense for most people, and perhaps reduces attack surface a little. If you have the means, I highly recommend setting it up!

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by josh3736 »

purerandomness wrote: post #52

IPv6 will never make it. Maybe IPv8 [0], which IPv6 should have actually looked like: > 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 [0] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-00.html

For observers, this draft was posted to HN earlier but quickly flagged and removed because the linked "IPv8" draft is absolute bunk.

See the removed thread for details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47788857

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by crote »

stackghost wrote: post #35
usui wrote: post #5

It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. This adoption rate is ridiculous despite basically all network interfaces supporting it. I thought I would see IPv6 take over in my lifetime as the default for platforms to build on but I can see I was wrong. Enterprise and commercial companies are literally going to hold back internet progress around 60 to 75 years because it's in their best interest to ensure users…

Is there a reason why adoption has been so abysmally slow? Like surely all the big players have updated their networking equipment by now, and surely every piece of enterprise-grade kit sold in the last 20 years has supported v6. The only arguments I've ever heard against ipv6 that made any sense are that: 1: it's hard to remember addresses, which is mayyyyybe valid for homelab enthusiast types, but for medium scale…

Sure, the data plane supports it - but what about the management plane?

I wouldn't be surprised if ISPs did all the management tasks through a 30-year-old homebrew pile of technical debt, with lots of things relying on basic assumptions like "every connection has exactly one ip address, which is 32 bits long".

Porting all of that to support ipv6 can easily be a multi-year project.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by UltraSane »

lmm wrote: post #56
UltraSane wrote: post #6

Every company I have ever worked for in the US didn't use IPv6 and actually blocked it at the FW

The US has something like 80% of the world's IPv4 addresses, so they feel a lot less pressure to migrate.

I worked for a state government agency that had a public /16

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

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Post by c0l0 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #72
purerandomness wrote: post #52

IPv6 will never make it. Maybe IPv8 [0], which IPv6 should have actually looked like: > 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 [0] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-00.html

Why do people keep proposing alternatives to IPv6 that are no easier than IPv6 but still require the whole world to start the deployment over from 0%?

I'd say it's either because they're just having fun, or because they're dumb.
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