Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

google.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 643 posts

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#61

Post by ButlerianJihad »

At home, I use an Android 16 Pixel phone, and a Chromebook, and I would suspect (but cannot prove) that 100% of my LAN outages can be blamed on the dual-stacking nature of IPv6 plus IPv4.

Chris Siebenmann has written extensively on IPv6: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/?search=ipv6

Google has some weird way of asserting connectivity, and I suspect that when connectivity on one protocol is lost, it is impossible to maintain or establish connectivity through the other one (IPv6) even if it is available upstream.

I am rather infuriated with the status quo at this point, because it is impossible to disable IPv6 on my devices and it is also impossible for my ISP to disable IPv6 on my LAN or on the CPE router which they own and control.

Due to chronic WiFi issues I was eventually forced to place my ISP router into Bridge mode permanently, and I use a 3rd party Netgear which I own, and does not have the same WiFi issues, and where IPv6 is optional (and often fails, because its implementation is buggy and glitchy for no reason.)

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#62

Post by elsjaako »

usui wrote: post #20
pheggs wrote: post #10

while it looks like its slowing down, I am pretty sure it will speed up once IPv4 get even more expensive, sites start to be hosted on IPv6 only and become inaccessible to some users that dont have IPv4. Thats surely going to put pressure on ISPs

Outside of hobbyist niche uses, sites won't start being hosted IPv6-only. The financialization of IPv4 addresses will simply get worse and be even more pay-to-play than it is now. Amazon raises the price of IPv4 and everyone goes along as a cost of doing business.

If you have a big site and want as broad an access as possible I agree.

But I wouldn't be surpised if we start seeing self-hosted minecraft or factorio servers with ipv6 only.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#63

Post by nubinetwork »

stackghost wrote: post #35
usui wrote: post #5

It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. This adoption rate is ridiculous despite basically all network interfaces supporting it. I thought I would see IPv6 take over in my lifetime as the default for platforms to build on but I can see I was wrong. Enterprise and commercial companies are literally going to hold back internet progress around 60 to 75 years because it's in their best interest to ensure users…

Is there a reason why adoption has been so abysmally slow? Like surely all the big players have updated their networking equipment by now, and surely every piece of enterprise-grade kit sold in the last 20 years has supported v6. The only arguments I've ever heard against ipv6 that made any sense are that: 1: it's hard to remember addresses, which is mayyyyybe valid for homelab enthusiast types, but for medium scale…

> Like surely all the big players have updated their networking equipment by now

My home isp can't even do symmetrical gigabit, let alone ipv6...

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#64

Post by zokier »

lmm wrote: post #56
UltraSane wrote: post #6

Every company I have ever worked for in the US didn't use IPv6 and actually blocked it at the FW

The US has something like 80% of the world's IPv4 addresses, so they feel a lot less pressure to migrate.

US is significantly above average in terms of adoption

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#65

Post by direwolf20 »

globular-toast wrote: post #25
rtdq wrote: post #13

And still, in the year of our lord 2026, GitHub does not support IPv6. https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/10539

Do we know any technical reason for this? Or are we left to think this is somehow a political thing?

It could be that they don't want to implement IP bans in IPv6.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#66

Post by alex_duf »

globular-toast wrote: post #25
rtdq wrote: post #13

And still, in the year of our lord 2026, GitHub does not support IPv6. https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/10539

Do we know any technical reason for this? Or are we left to think this is somehow a political thing?

It's a possibly a managerial thing, which KPI are you improving when spending engineering time on adding IPv6 support?

That said, for their HTTP stack they use fastly (as far as I understand), which should make the shift moderately easier.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#67

Post by direwolf20 »

stackghost wrote: post #35
usui wrote: post #5

It has barely hit 50% and it's already plateauing. This adoption rate is ridiculous despite basically all network interfaces supporting it. I thought I would see IPv6 take over in my lifetime as the default for platforms to build on but I can see I was wrong. Enterprise and commercial companies are literally going to hold back internet progress around 60 to 75 years because it's in their best interest to ensure users…

Is there a reason why adoption has been so abysmally slow? Like surely all the big players have updated their networking equipment by now, and surely every piece of enterprise-grade kit sold in the last 20 years has supported v6. The only arguments I've ever heard against ipv6 that made any sense are that: 1: it's hard to remember addresses, which is mayyyyybe valid for homelab enthusiast types, but for medium scale…

Ignore all the excuses like longer addresses and incompatible hardware. The actual reason is that everyone hates change.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#68

Post by ViscountPenguin »

denkmoon wrote: post #33
globular-toast wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we know any technical reason for this? Or are we left to think this is somehow a political thing?

Outdated beliefs probably. When I talk about v6 support in our b2b saas, PM laughs and says nobody uses that shit. Big tech are massive laggards on this funnily enough.

It's because big tech is USA based mostly, where there's still a glut of ipv4 available.

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#69

Post by zokier »

pastage wrote: post #50
loevborg wrote: post #31

Sometimes TCP/IP is a leaky abstraction, and recently ipv6 peeked through in two separate instances: - In a cafe wifi, I had partial connectivity. For some reason my wifi interface had an ipv6 address but no ipv4 address. As a result, some sites worked just fine but github.com (which is, incredibly, ipv4-only) didn't - I created a ipv6-only hetzner server (because it's 2026) but ended up giving up and bought a ipv6 a…

You can solve this issue if you have one server with ipv6/ipv4 you can run NAT with Jool and connect ipv6 only servers to that. Like Android does. I wish hosting providers would give you a local routed ipv4 on ipv6 servers with a default NAT server. It is not that expensive I move 10Gbps "easily" and they could charge for that traffic.

> I wish hosting providers would give you a local routed ipv4 on ipv6 servers with a default NAT server.

You mean like AWS NatGW https://docs.aws.amazon.com/vpc/latest/userguide/vpc-nat-gat...

Re: IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark

#70

Post by direwolf20 »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #61

At home, I use an Android 16 Pixel phone, and a Chromebook, and I would suspect (but cannot prove) that 100% of my LAN outages can be blamed on the dual-stacking nature of IPv6 plus IPv4. Chris Siebenmann has written extensively on IPv6: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/?search=ipv6 Google has some weird way of asserting connectivity, and I suspect that when connectivity on one protocol is lost, it is impossible t…

I am rather infuriated that it's impossible to disable IPv4 on my devices, so does that make us even?
Post reply on HN