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Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by godelski »

drnick1 wrote: post #206
godelski wrote: post #106

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Intel did this to me with a job application... they just sent tons of promo shit even after I unsubscribed And people wonder why I make unique email addresses for every site and even multiple for some sites. It's for exactly this (and to see who's selling it). My only real recourse is to delete the email address. Thanks mozmail, and thanks bitwarden for integrating. But it's also dumb as shit that we have to do thing…

> And people wonder why I make unique email addresses for every site and even multiple for some sites. This, right here, is the solution.

It's not a solution, it is a defense. A solution would not require the action in the first place. It is a shitty thing that we have to act this way and we shouldn't be complacent with our defenses. The solution is to make a world where we don't need to constantly defend.

Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by heikkilevanto »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #175
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #163

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And for the spammers: What matters for this is whether the recipient thought they opted in. No matter how clever you think you are by pre-checking that checkbox, or hiding it in the TOS, or putting the non-mandatory spam checkbox between two other clearly-mandatory checkboxes so people think it's mandatory: If the user didn't want the mails, they're going to mark your spam as spam and you'll have the deliverability p…

Totally agreed. Intent to opt in is what matters. If the box is pre-checked, it's opt-out. If it's hidden (in the ToS or elsewhere), it's opt-out.

Yes, that is the law here in the EU. You are not allowed to send me emails unless I took some positive action to subscribe. Rightly so.

Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by Maxion »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #208
Larrikin wrote: post #45

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I remember there was a thread some years back with an article complaining that you get emails immediately on sign up, but that it can take up to 10 days to stop receiving emails when you unsubscribe. One spammer said they could use the same servers for both but when you unsubscribe you have immediately signaled that you are now losing him money. So he uses the slowest cheapest part of the stack for removal. He will n…

> but that it can take up to 10 days to stop receiving emails when you unsubscribe This is a really bad business practice, people will just mark your mail as spam and the likelyhood of other people seeing your mails will drop

I still do not understand how marketers haven't understood that quality > quantity.

Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by ferngodfather »

Larrikin wrote: post #45
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #41

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I don’t know if this is true with Font Awesome, but more and more companies are spamming my inbox despite disabling any promotional emails in their settings. So, I mark any unwanted email as spam in Gmail immediately, and even leave bad reviews. Having my email address is not the same as having my consent. Stop trying to roofie us with malicious EULAs.

I remember there was a thread some years back with an article complaining that you get emails immediately on sign up, but that it can take up to 10 days to stop receiving emails when you unsubscribe. One spammer said they could use the same servers for both but when you unsubscribe you have immediately signaled that you are now losing him money. So he uses the slowest cheapest part of the stack for removal. He will n…

> If I get a single email after I've unsubscribed I go back in my inbox and mark every single email I ever received as spam.

Fuck me, that is brutal and could absolutely ruin your SES complaint rate - even with the suppression filter on, as the emails are already in your inbox.

Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by ferngodfather »

leni536 wrote: post #157
bradleyankrom wrote: post #119

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LinkedIn does this and it is annoying

Linkedin sends you notifications an emails for having other unread notifications without any additional info. It's really the worst.

"Someone viewed your profile" with a blurred photo of them.

So you know exactly who it is, but you won't just tell me in the email? I have to open the app/site so you can tick your engagement box for the day?

So glad I'm off that shit hole. It's just full of pompous picks anyway.

Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by jpalomaki »

Why not replace the SMTP with an API and explicit permissions. When registering for a newsletter, I would explicitly grant the sender right to push stuff to my inbox. At any point I could revoke this right and the sender would get clear error message when pushing.

Old fashioned person-to-person email would work as it does. This would only apply to the app-to-user stuff, which in my case makes up >99% of my emails.

Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by rvba »

cube00 wrote: post #82
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #41

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I don’t know if this is true with Font Awesome, but more and more companies are spamming my inbox despite disabling any promotional emails in their settings. So, I mark any unwanted email as spam in Gmail immediately, and even leave bad reviews. Having my email address is not the same as having my consent. Stop trying to roofie us with malicious EULAs.

>more and more companies are spamming my inbox despite disabling any promotional emails in their settings. The other trick I've noticed is companies will add new categories and default those on. I'll see a whole page of categories and somehow the last one will be enabled even though I'm sure I'd have turned them all off when I disabled the bulk of them.

"Terms of use" update emails seem to be a new way to remind you about a service too.

Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by eru »

Larrikin wrote: post #45
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know if this is true with Font Awesome, but more and more companies are spamming my inbox despite disabling any promotional emails in their settings. So, I mark any unwanted email as spam in Gmail immediately, and even leave bad reviews. Having my email address is not the same as having my consent. Stop trying to roofie us with malicious EULAs.

I remember there was a thread some years back with an article complaining that you get emails immediately on sign up, but that it can take up to 10 days to stop receiving emails when you unsubscribe. One spammer said they could use the same servers for both but when you unsubscribe you have immediately signaled that you are now losing him money. So he uses the slowest cheapest part of the stack for removal. He will n…

> One spammer said they could use the same servers for both but when you unsubscribe you have immediately signaled that you are now losing him money. So he uses the slowest cheapest part of the stack for removal.

Hmm, wouldn't you want to remove the money losing people as soon as possible, so you don't waste even more money on them?

Re: We have a 99% email reputation, but Gmail disagrees

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Post by nickff »

igor47 wrote: post #80
daneel_w wrote: post #66

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In my experience they will mark your e-mails as spam for no sound reason at all. I run my own MX, for myself personally, and my e-mails to friends using Gmail regularly gets classed as spam as soon as it's been "long enough" since my last mail. My MX does everything by the books, ticks all the boxes, never ended up on any DNSBL etc. Their behavior is effectively a form of systemic sabotage.

Yes absolutely this. I've put so much effort into making sure I tick all the boxes and yet I constantly wonder if my email is getting delivered. This feels anti competitive to me. It's Google constantly telling me, give up, you know deep down you should just use Gmail.

I think Gmail doesn’t want you to use their service for sending email; they want you to have to advertise ‘with’ them.
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