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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

ryandrake wrote: post #120
embedding-shape wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

Whenever I get a little down over how much power unelected corporations have in my country, I can at least cheer myself up a little by being thankful that something as stupid as football doesn't have enough power here to control whether or not I have internet access.

Ignorance is a bliss, agree :) Sometimes we all need to force ourselves into that so we can get a bit more joy.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by tobz1000 »

danirod wrote: post #30

Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that…

> there are testimonies of smart home devices like anti-theft alarms or automatic doors, that stop working whenever [...] because their backends rely on Cloudflare.

The fault here lies 100% with horribly designed IoT devices that turn into bricks when they lose internet connection.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by mlyle »

lentil_soup wrote: post #80
michaelt wrote: post #63

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The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable website for every game. Any blocking must happen fast. Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. The courts would rather not create a special fast lane through the courts, just to resolve a squabble between…

> Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. why would they? > squabble between two huge corporations I think this is just LaLiga using it's cultural and economical power, don't think Cloudflare or the courts should be making exceptions just so they can control how people watch football

> why would they?

Well, in this case, the alternative is all of Spain intermittently blocking lots of Cloudflare.

But if Cloudflare bows to Spain in this case, every jurisdiction will want to pile up lots of special case rules for Cloudflare to try and implement.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by gruez »

nslsm wrote: post #135
gruez wrote: post #65

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>Their economy is in shambles But it's among the fastest growing in the EU? Granted, part of this is starting from a low base, but it's hardly "in shambles" https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locat...

They are doing this by artificially inflating the numbers, destroying the country forever: https://i.imgur.com/0MAeFaF.jpg

>total population change in EU countries

The figures I cited are for GDP per capita, which accounts for population growth. Moreover immigration should have the opposite effect of depressing per-capita GDP, because immigrants typically take lower skilled jobs, dragging overall productivity down. So if anything, the figures are artificially depressed, not inflated.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #137
freetanga wrote: post #40

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All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

It would be great if there was a webpage with clear instructions on how to do this, maybe fill out a few questions and get a printable pdf you can mail, or at least telling you how to file an online complaint. Making complaints very low friction will lead to more of those and perhaps more attention to the issue. Snail mail uses up physical space so it might get more attention, it would be hilarious to see news report…

> It would be great if there was a webpage with clear instructions on how to do this, maybe fill out a few questions and get a printable pdf you can mail, or at least telling you how to file an online complaint. Making complaints very low friction will lead to more of those and perhaps more attention to the issue.

This is a great idea, we definitively should make this happen! If people are curious on collaborating on something, reach out, email in profile (English or Spanish emails welcome!).

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by jacquesm »

tom1337 wrote: post #64
mrvaibh wrote: post #39

This is a great example of why blanket IP blocking is such a terrible enforcement mechanism. Cloudflare hosts hundreds of thousands of services behind shared IP ranges — blocking one IP to stop a piracy stream takes out everything else on that IP, including Docker registries, API endpoints, and CDNs that have nothing to do with football. The real fix on your end until Spain sorts this out: set up a pull-through regis…

just wait until they block Azure as well so the official La Liga site also stops working

Hmmm. Don't they have a reporting form or something like that? Down with those filthy Azure pirates on IP 52.166.113.188.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by pfortuny »

> instado por la Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional y por Telefónica Audiovisual Digital,

(The trial was initiated by LaLiga and Telefonica...).

"Telefonica" is the (exclusive) distributor for the rights of streaming the matches, and is only (of course?) the main consumer (and business) Telco in Spain: they are in a game they cannot lose. This is such an abuse and no government (this, past, whichever) has done anything about it.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by post-it »

encom wrote: post #100
post-it wrote: post #87

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You're getting frequent verification requests because you're behaving like a bot. Are you modifying your user agent string or using a VPN?

Who knows what upsets ClownFlare? I'm using Vivaldi on Linux on IPv6 in Denmark with every uBlock filter enabled and Cookie Auto-delete. That seems to confuse and anger CloudFlare and I get CAPTCHA tarpitted constantly.

> They should have used a cookie or something else that does not require asking me every few minutes to prove once more that I am not a bot.

> every uBlock filter enabled and Cookie Auto-delete

Hmm

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by encom »

bethekidyouwant wrote: post #132
encom wrote: post #100

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Who knows what upsets ClownFlare? I'm using Vivaldi on Linux on IPv6 in Denmark with every uBlock filter enabled and Cookie Auto-delete. That seems to confuse and anger CloudFlare and I get CAPTCHA tarpitted constantly.

So you know why.

No, it could be any, or other, totally normal and reasonable factors. Or maybe I posted too much Cloudflare hate on HN and they singled me out.

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