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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by tryauuum »

psychoslave wrote: post #119
tryauuum wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions

That's actually part of rebellion modus operandi, so totally something realistic. But not within the frame of law and not in the sweet position of someone away from the "I'll die for the just cause" mindset.

can you rephrase your idea please. What's realistic, fighting stupid laws or corporations with a VPN? Yes, but not for long. They are always stronger than you, they can switch from blacklisting to whitelisting and your VPN becomes useless.

What is this "sweet position" you talk about?

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

encom wrote: post #100
post-it wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're getting frequent verification requests because you're behaving like a bot. Are you modifying your user agent string or using a VPN?

Who knows what upsets ClownFlare? I'm using Vivaldi on Linux on IPv6 in Denmark with every uBlock filter enabled and Cookie Auto-delete. That seems to confuse and anger CloudFlare and I get CAPTCHA tarpitted constantly.

So you know why.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by echoangle »

giorgioz wrote: post #107

POSSIBLE FIX: I think changing your default DNS servers to Google 8.8.8.8 or Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 might bypass the spanish sunday ban on Cloudlflare. macOS + Cloudlfare 1.1.1.1 https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/setup/macos/ Google 8.8.8.8 https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using

I don’t think it’s a DNS ban, it looks like they actually ban connections to the IP range.

But you can just use a VPN.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by KAMSPioneer »

n6242 wrote: post #77
michaelt wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable website for every game. Any blocking must happen fast. Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. The courts would rather not create a special fast lane through the courts, just to resolve a squabble between…

> The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Funny enough, I work in IT and I've had to use a VPN to be able to do my job when soccer is on, but my two non-tech-savy family members that do watch soccer using pirate livestreams say that they've never had any issues with blocked streams.

I work in IT and have found that the issue impacts my work but not my ability to stream sports from sites of questionable legality. Of course, I don't pirate La Liga matches but that's primarily because I don't give a shit about soccer.

But the point is that the measure does more to block legitimate use than illegitimate (in my experience). And next they want to go after VPNs. Wonderful.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by nslsm »

gruez wrote: post #65
richwater wrote: post #42

Spain is a failing country. Their economy is in shambles and the government has ceded internet control to a private corporation who runs football games.

>Their economy is in shambles But it's among the fastest growing in the EU? Granted, part of this is starting from a low base, but it's hardly "in shambles" https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locat...

They are doing this by artificially inflating the numbers, destroying the country forever: https://i.imgur.com/0MAeFaF.jpg

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by echoangle »

chmod775 wrote: post #33
chrismustcode wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they can block IPs of cloudflare what extra mechanisms would be needed to block VPN IPs?

The only viable way to even get most of them is to shut down internet access entirely. It's not a realistic solution, unlike blocking a few well known IP ranges belonging to a large corp like Cloudflare. And even if you managed to get them all beforehand, some VPN providers will adapt and keep some servers in reserve, putting them online just as you managed to block the previous ones. Getting around internet censorsh…

You don’t really need to block all, you just need to annoy the users enough that paying is easier. And I think there are enough games to use up the IP reserve pretty quickly and getting new ones every time is pretty annoying.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

freetanga wrote: post #40
danirod wrote: post #30

Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that…

All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

It would be great if there was a webpage with clear instructions on how to do this, maybe fill out a few questions and get a printable pdf you can mail, or at least telling you how to file an online complaint. Making complaints very low friction will lead to more of those and perhaps more attention to the issue.

Snail mail uses up physical space so it might get more attention, it would be hilarious to see news reports of truckloads of complaint mail being dumped in front of the whatever office.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

ryandrake wrote: post #126
embedding-shape wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? This is how governance and public opinion happen, at least in Spain. Government does something bad? Everyone out on the streets to complain, and calling politicians to change their mind. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not, but doing nothing is never an option if you disagree with what they're doing. To think that doing nothing is better than something, that's incredibly naive.

Doing nothing can't be better, but it's entirely possible that doing nothing has exactly the equal effect as doing something.

> but it's entirely possible

You're right, it possibly has the same effect. How could we figure out what's the actual answer in practice?

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by dmitrygr »

The last sentence of this submission makes no sense. You are in Spain. Allegedly, the country has a representative government. That means that you should have a way to influence the government to fix this idiocy. If, in fact, you don’t, then it is not a representative government and …ahem… further steps may be warranted to remind the government whom they work for.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

ryandrake wrote: post #128
embedding-shape wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What Spain does is basically censorship and it's very poorly executed Basically? It is censorship, with huge collateral damage and regardless of how much we complain or share evidence that the blocks are actually financially harming us, no one seems to care as long as La Liga gets to freely block whatever hoster of websites as they wish.

It's just like the Great Firewall of China, except in service of football profits instead of political ideology. I don't know which one is dumber and more disgraceful.

I wouldn't say "instead of", just "also", these "football blocks" are not the first cases of censorship of the internet in Spain.

womenonweb.org for example was inaccessible for years, just unblocked some years ago. During the latest Catalan independence referendum, the Spanish government blocked a bunch of websites, not the very least the official website of the referendum itself.

This is just one of the most recent cases, and so far the one with widest regular impact.

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