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Post by lynndotpy »

loeg wrote: post #123
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brand reputation. Every brand that chooses to use X implicitly supports X, even if they're not verified & paying X money.

Does anyone seriously think EFF posting to X yesterday tarnished their brand? Be real.

Yes, absolutely. The CEO of X did Nazi salutes and promotes white genocide narratives, Grok has created posts praising Hitler, and when people used Grok to publicly generate CSAM for free, they fixed it by putting it behind a subscription platform. The only people I know and respect who are still on X are sex workers, because X is still the most porn-friendly social media site.

When you say "Be real", you're pleading with people to take your statement more seriously. But it's simply the case that people have very strong and negative opinions about nazis and child pornography.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by ModernMech »

bakugo wrote: post #255
blurbleblurble wrote: post #152

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Posts about US politics that have nothing to do with technology and are otherwise uninteresting get flagged because HN is not the place for that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics If you just want to talk about how much you hate the current US administration with other people who also spend all their time talking about how much they hate the current US administr…

Elon Musk posts about self driving car technology coming in the next 3 years (for 10 years): very technology related, super cool, straight to the front page! Take my money!

Elon Musk takes effective control of government functions by bribing incoming President, uses power to close investigations into his driverless car technology that is currently running amok on city streets causing death and destruction: not technology related, off topic and uninteresting. Downvote and flag.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by slibhb »

threatofrain wrote: post #418
slibhb wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it deeply dismaying that people consider that "just politics" or that opposing it is "ideological". We can argue all day about the proper rate of corporate taxation or debate the best way to implement environmental regulations, and I will not consider you a bad person if you disagree with me. But the kind of crap coming out of that guy? That's beyond politics. Elon's behavior is truly disgraceful, but spouti…

You wish to lead with "dumb shit" in framing why people have a problem with Elon Musk? Why not lead with the Nazi salute at the presidential podium? That would more quickly get to the point.

Nazi salutes are protected speech and not "beyond politics". Yes it's disgraceful, and it's reasonable to leave his platform. But it qualifies as "dumb shit".

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

latexr wrote: post #356
anonymousiam wrote: post #55

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> changed from neutral rights-focused activism into questionable political activism. What exactly are “neutral rights”? Every right is political, and none of them are neutral, you’ll always find someone who supports them and someone who opposes them. Remember when Nestlé’s CEO said that calling water a human right was an “extreme” opinion? And there used to be a time when people claimed owning slaves was their right.…

>What exactly are “neutral rights”?

Rights that apply to people even if you disagree with them, like free speech. Something both the left and the right seem to hate.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by mattbillenstein »

Pretty interesting to see the drop off in impressions - Twitter/X really is just a megaphone for Musk to deliver his "probably next year" wrt various product releases for the Elon-gelicals who bid up Tesla stock to meme levels.

I really can't imagine the data is even good for training Grok anymore - like if it's such a small subset of neo-nazi supporting folks - how is it even useful?

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by latexr »

nailer wrote: post #139

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> Community Notes wouldn’t have happened without X.

Community Notes did happen without X. It was a feature introduced in January 2021 under the name Birdwatch.

https://blog.x.com/en_us/topics/product/2021/introducing-bir...

Twitter’s acquisition only started over a year later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon...

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by pron »

bluebarbet wrote: post #257
davidw wrote: post #118

My grandparents were pretty WASPy, conservative people who lived in northern Idaho. And they hated the white supremacist/neonazi groups up there with a burning passion. They were of an age to remember people going off to fight in Germany and Asia against that kind of ideology. They would have been absolutely appalled and ashamed to see a business leader throwing those salutes and backing it up with talk of a "white h…

But since when did using a business's product come to require sharing (or not sharing) political views with the business's owner? Seems to me that this is what has changed. PS. It's amazing to me, and worrying, the anger and vituperation this position is provoking. It was once almost consensus. To take the obvious parallel, buying a newspaper did not imply agreement with the reactionary press baron who owned it.

First, as others have pointed out, it's always been like that up to a point. But that's not the problem with X.

I didn't leave X when Musk acquired Twitter, and I'm not scandalised by people's political positions, even when they're extreme. But a position and behaviour are two very different things (e.g. being a racist vs making a Nazi salute on live television). I left when the atmosphere amplified by the site became... not for me. I won't go into a pub full of football hooligans not because I disagree with their club affiliation but because their conduct creates an atmosphere that's not for me.

As for newspapers (even ignoring those with political party affiliations, something that was common in newspapers' heyday), most of them preserved some kind of civil decorum, and those that didn't weren't read by those who wanted some decorum. How civilised some environment is is not a matter of political position.

Also, there were always some people of influence that held extreme views. But such people behaving in an uncivilised manner in public was less common (and certainly less accepted).

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