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The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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I doubt many are Catholic. J.D. Vance would be an option, tho.

Biden was Catholic, yet not even him sponsoring a genocide was enough to warrant an excommunication.

He was denied communion on one occasion, though it was for his stance on abortion (he didn't support making it a crime).

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You may be joking, but Hegseth unironically believes this. A fact that should scare everyone.

It isn't just Hegseth by any means. GWB calling for a new "Crusade" at the rubble of the WTC after 9/11 wasn't an error. The integration of evangelical Christianity, the Republican Party and the military industrial complex is deep. In its soul, the US is a Christian theocracy which has been struggling to free itself from the shackles of secular republicanism (in the government sense, not the party sense) ever since its founding.

Pete Hegseth's beliefs aren't even unusual for much of the country, he just isn't canny enough to play the game his predecessors did and not say the quiet part out loud.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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I doubt many are Catholic. J.D. Vance would be an option, tho.

Wait until you find out how many Latino people serve in the military.

Wait until you find out how many Latinos aren't catholic. (Yes, it's a lot, probably most, but in some LATAM countries Catholics are now outnumbered by evangelicals).

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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well, ~21% of americans are catholic

"are Catholic" is so fuzzy though. "identify as" and "practices" are wildly different experiences, at least on the receiving end. I'm sure that percentage is mostly consisting of "identify as" rather than "practicing".

100,000 people joined the catholic church in america this week.

At this point I don't think anything other than the church retains the ability to present a coherent moral or metaphysical intellectual framework to people who care about that kind of thing.

I would be very surprised if the united states is not majority catholic in ~100 years

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Idk which is more impressive that someone referenced the Avignon Papacy in a heat of the moment argument or that the same person who could reference that thought it was a good idea. (Not Catholic...but like...why?)

It is literally this tweet from a few years ago: > Every lifelong Catholic I've ever met is like "I think we're supposed to give this food to poor people" and every adult convert is like "the Archon of Constantinople's epistle on the Pentacostine rites of the eucharist clearly states women shouldn't have driver's licenses."

Real catholics only think about the church on Easter, Christmas, baptisms, weddings and funerals.

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Lot of Catholics are MAGA aren't they? The few I talked to recently were really anti-woke, like 'woke' is ruining the world. Very Maga. How does this land with them?

I guess it's obvious from the outside, maybe not so much from the inside, but it's clear they're massaging the MAGA masses to establish the new pope as someone who isn't a real pope, so probably won't matter much, since this approach is already underway.

Indeed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrg8zkz8d0o

Trump is the real pope obviously.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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> Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned the Holy See’s then-ambassador to the U.S., Cardinal Christophe Pierre, to the Pentagon. Can the DOD do this? This seems more like the purview of State.

The DoW regularly engages foreign ambassadors on defense matters eg military cooperation, NATO issues, basing, security policy, etc

Any exec branch dept can communicate directly with foreign diplomats, and ambassadors are accredited to the USA as a whole, not exclusively to State

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