Excommunicate the US military.
I doubt many are Catholic. J.D. Vance would be an option, tho.
Don't know about the leadership, but a quick googling tells me about 25% of the US military identify as Catholic. That's not nothing...
The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy
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#12Idk which is more impressive that someone referenced the Avignon Papacy in a heat of the moment argument or that the same person who could reference that thought it was a good idea. (Not Catholic...but like...why?)
It is literally this tweet from a few years ago:
> Every lifelong Catholic I've ever met is like "I think we're supposed to give this food to poor people" and every adult convert is like "the Archon of Constantinople's epistle on the Pentacostine rites of the eucharist clearly states women shouldn't have driver's licenses."
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt many are Catholic. J.D. Vance would be an option, tho.
Don't know about the leadership, but a quick googling tells me about 25% of the US military identify as Catholic. That's not nothing...
My guess is the vast majority of those are Hispanic Americans who have been Catholic since birth, and not part of the modern far-right Catholic conversion movement (like Vance).
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You may be joking, but Hegseth unironically believes this. A fact that should scare everyone.
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#16Idk which is more impressive that someone referenced the Avignon Papacy in a heat of the moment argument or that the same person who could reference that thought it was a good idea. (Not Catholic...but like...why?)
> the same person who could reference that
Let’s not give that same person more credit than they deserve. I’m sure they came preprepared with some LLM derived threats for when they didn’t get what they wanted from the Vatican.
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#18A Straussian comment. Not unexpected sadly.
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#19> America, Colby and his colleagues told the cardinal, has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world.
Yeah, well. That aged like raw milk.
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#20I have recently deepened my search in Christianity which started with the Catholic Church, one of few points I struggle with when it comes to Catholicism is the papacy, and the Avignon Papacy debacle and the events that followed (a la Western Schism) has quite a bit to do with that. I was a little confused by what they meant here by “threatening with the Avignon Papacy.” If anyone else is curious, I think the phrase “Babylonian Captivity” will provide better context, as it is what some contemporaries and later historians called it as it appeared that the Church had been “captured” by French political interests, with the popes being seen as too cozy to the French king and less focused on their universal spiritual role.