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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by chrismorgan »

jyrkesh wrote: post #442
dimmke wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a different case - those all have limitations based on human behavior (it's not necessary or possible to constantly be washing your car the entire month when you pay for unlimited washes) - that doesn't exist here. The types of plans available should reflect that reality. If gyms faced a situation where people would go and spend 18 hours working out every day for a month, they would probably change how they b…

"Unlimited" has always been a lie. There is no free lunch. There are always limits. I've had to unwind "unlimited" within startups that oversold. I've been bit by ISPs, storage providers, music streamers, fuckin _Ubers_, now AI subscription services, that all dealt in "unlimited". None of them delivered in the long run. I'd be mad at Anthropic if it weren't for the fact that my experience now can see this sort of thi…

On your 1.5Mbps link, you could theoretically download 500GB per month. A huge amount, but I believe it was often genuinely allowed, because their uplinks could cope with it. Unlimited could genuinely be unlimited.

But now you might get things like “unlimited” 1Gbps… which reverts to 10Mbps (1% speed) or worse after 3.6TB (eight hours). And so your new theoretical maximum is about 6.8TB per month rather than 330TB.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by closewith »

mech422 wrote: post #320
jmalicki wrote: post #190

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You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

you can write automated MCP tools that run within claude code, and could theoretically generate as high a load as any other automated/3rd party agent. You can also do loops that burn tokens incredibly fast. This is allowed with no caveats (I use MCP's basically to test what I'd like to try with the API...) So this explanation just seems a lil hollow.

My company has several MCPs that our very token intensive, but it seems that with Claude Code, usage is throttled even before hitting limits. I don't have any proof, but often when using intensive MCPs, Claude Code will just stall for 10+ minutes.

I wonder if anyone else has experienced this?

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by Alifatisk »

ramon156 wrote: post #500

May I suggest trying Z.ai coding plan? I've had a good experience, and its 1/3rd of the price. When I do use AI, I already have a solid plan of what I need. Sometimes I ask it to look something up. I never do both in one prompt. GLM 5.1 can do both, and its way way cheaper. I also don't hit my limit that fast (Plus I get to use it in OpenCode).

Now is also a good time because they have a discount offer this month for using GLM-5-Turbo. During off-peak hours, only 1x multiplier will be deducted (otherwise it is 2x). I’m am on the Lite plan and have never maxed my usage quota (their Christmas deal offered 3 month for 7$).

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by scotty79 »

Razengan wrote: post #409
SkyPuncher wrote: post #91

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I literally hit my 5 hour window limit in 1.5 hours every single day now. 2 weeks ago, I had only hit my limit a single time and that was when I had multiple agents doing codebase audits.

I've been using Codex extensively, 5.4 at "Extra High" and yet to hit a limit. The $20 plan

It very much depends on the workloads. If you inspect existing code (that somebody else wrote over the years) usage runs out quickly. If you are building your own greenfield stuff the sky is the limit.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by fcanesin »

Anthropic is a great showing for startup founders how if you have a great product people will buy it, even if they dislike your pricing, your marketing and the CEO opinions.

Real PMF sells itself. The risk is of course the competition catching up, I bet switching costs are very low on this setup.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by systoll »

dimmke wrote: post #285
rovr138 wrote: post #248

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>They have to be honest about what they can offer for $200 Their expectation must have been a human using the service at a human capacity. This is different from an automated agent orchestrating a ton of different agents at the same time doing a lot of things. There is a difference.

If people are finding new ways to use AI, they should change how they bill. Banning third party harnesses is bad for a lot of reasons - it looks like they're trying to force people to use their software. Strategically it might make sense - gives them a tiny moat if their models ever slip - but it discourages the breakneck pace of innovation and the long term effect is that their customers (largely highly skilled with…

They have subscription plans for their software, and a seperate billing process for the API. There's nothing to change. 'Accepting that it's a dumb pipe' would just mean removing the Pro & Max plans as options.

Clawdbot was clearly against the Consumer Terms of Use the whole time, they’ve just started actively detecting and blocking it.

> Except when you are accessing our Services via an Anthropic API Key or where we otherwise explicitly permit it, [it is forbidden] to access the Services through automated or non-human means, whether through a bot, script, or otherwise.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by stingraycharles »

manmal wrote: post #481
wigglewoggle wrote: post #379

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I'm at large company and pretty much everyone has settled on opus or sonnet 4.6. We would absolutely not allow something like OpenClaw on our network so your point kinda fits here where, if capacity is constrained, then by setting focus away from OpenClaw you're essentially prioritising the enterprise clients. Just spitballing of course

> not allow something like OpenClaw on our network And where’s the difference between the Claude Desktop app and OpenClaw at this point? Anthropic have been hard at work porting the most important features. You can easily shoot yourself in the foot with both now.

Claude Desktop is an Anthropic product, Openclaw is not (their founder works for OpenAI even).

Anthropic wants you to use their subscription only for Anthropic products.

I don’t think the difference is that difficult to see.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by stingraycharles »

ahtihn wrote: post #577
theshrike79 wrote: post #510

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We have a legal contract with Anthropic OpenClaw and OpenCode are open source projects with zero warranty and nobody to sue if they have a npm Trojan in them

So you don’t use any other open source software at all then? The risk with OpenClaw et al isn't that the software itself is compromised. The risk is that what it does is fundamentally insecure and Claude Code isn't any better

That’s not the issue, the issue is that people are using their subscriptions (intended only for use with Anthropic products) with non-Anthropic products and this is simply Anthropic enforcing their ToS.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by breisa »

ramon156 wrote: post #500

May I suggest trying Z.ai coding plan? I've had a good experience, and its 1/3rd of the price. When I do use AI, I already have a solid plan of what I need. Sometimes I ask it to look something up. I never do both in one prompt. GLM 5.1 can do both, and its way way cheaper. I also don't hit my limit that fast (Plus I get to use it in OpenCode).

They also do not allow non-coding usage of their coding plan in their ToS.
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