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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by greenavocado »

Aurornis wrote: post #154
SkyPuncher wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally hit my 5 hour window limit in 1.5 hours every single day now. 2 weeks ago, I had only hit my limit a single time and that was when I had multiple agents doing codebase audits.

Anthropic had a special extra usage promotion going on during non-peak hours that ended recently. They didn’t do a great job of explaining it. I wonder how many people got used to the 2X limits and now think Anthropic has done something bad by going back to normal

Irrelevant. I had at least ten times more usage then at any time

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jyrkesh »

dimmke wrote: post #296
harrall wrote: post #283

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This is how free drink refills, airplane tickets, Internet service, unlimited data plans, insurance, flat rate shipping, monthly transit passes, Netflix, Apple Music, gym memberships, museum memberships, car wash plans, amusement park passes, all you can eat buffets, news subscriptions, and many more work. Either you get a flat rate fee based on certain allowed usage patterns or everyone has to be billed à la carte.

This is a different case - those all have limitations based on human behavior (it's not necessary or possible to constantly be washing your car the entire month when you pay for unlimited washes) - that doesn't exist here. The types of plans available should reflect that reality. If gyms faced a situation where people would go and spend 18 hours working out every day for a month, they would probably change how they b…

"Unlimited" has always been a lie. There is no free lunch. There are always limits.

I've had to unwind "unlimited" within startups that oversold. I've been bit by ISPs, storage providers, music streamers, fuckin _Ubers_, now AI subscription services, that all dealt in "unlimited". None of them delivered in the long run.

I'd be mad at Anthropic if it weren't for the fact that my experience now can see this sort of thing from a mile away. There are a lot folks, even on HN, that haven't been around for as long. I understand the outrage. I've been there. But these computers cost money to run, and companies don't operate at a loss in the fullness of time.

Once you know that unlimited trends towards limited, the real question is whether we're equipped as a society to deal with the fact that the capital-L Labor input to the economic equation is about to be replaced with a Capital input for which only a handful of companies have a non-zero value.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by daynthelife »

jmalicki wrote: post #190
goosejuice wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

> Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that.

No, there is a weekly limit as well. Maxing out a single 5h window uses ~10% of the weekly limit

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by ph4te »

hgoel wrote: post #425

This seems like a reasonable move even putting aside the reasoning about breaking the assumptions that make a subscription model cheaper than a pay-per-use model. Why would they actively subsidize the ticking timebomb? When OpenClaw has an especially large security incident, Anthropic will probably be affected just for the association. Like, right alongside this post on the front page, we have a post about a relative…

As a CC power user, an OpenClaw, and ZeroClaw user, I am completely fine with this. My CC usage has suffered lately, and however cool and fun the Claws are, I use Claude Desktop probably more than OpenClaw and it works just fine, and has a lot of integrations. I would rather have Anthropic continue to support its own products working well, and have all of these things move to another service, or pay Anthropic for their use.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by danpalmer »

stavros wrote: post #170
danpalmer wrote: post #148

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A more apt comparison is Telsa offering $10/m for 100kWh for your car, or pay-as-you-go for any cars, but then you setting up shop at a charger, putting up a sign saying anyone can charge on your subscription until you reach that limit.

Who is "anyone" here if I'm the only one charging?

Anyone is the other software you're using. You were sold a subscription for use in a specific application controlled by the service provider, that they can optimise and control as needed to maintain their business.

You are the reason these changes are happening. You may well be the reason that subscription prices go up.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by goosejuice »

priyanshujain wrote: post #439
goosejuice wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

Exactly your point. Anthropic is subsidizing their own tools to keep people on their platform. What's wrong with that? Tokens and these agents(Claude Code/cowork/claude.ai) are separate from model tokens, and they want to discount for their own product usage. The subscription they sell is a package of these products, not tokens. They never sell token subscriptions, so why do we need to relate tokens with the subscrip…

> What's wrong with that?

Nothing beyond fumbling the PR around it.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by teekert »

jmalicki wrote: post #190
goosejuice wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

I've met people that fill a box of sushi to take home at the end of their “all you can eat” session because “they paid for it”. Shrug.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by goosejuice »

guelo wrote: post #427
goosejuice wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

How many tokens does the $20/month buy me? I want to know what those hard token limits are but they refuse to tell me. I'm pretty sure they've reduced those limits the last week but they won't admit it. It feels like a scammy pricing model.

I agree, I think consumers appreciate transparency.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by mohsen1 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #398

Claude is a UNIX command line tool with an SDK. Yes there's an interactive mode, but it can be invoked as a normal utility too, and piped to other tools and so on. In that context, I don't understand the difference between a "third party harness" and a shell script. How are they even detecting OpenClaw?

They have terms to not allow `claude -p` used like that. However, people can hide this with the leaked source code. What a funny cat-and-mouse game!
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