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Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #208
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #194

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The median income earner is making around $65K. They don’t see you as one of them if you are making even six figures

I do not need their approval to want better for them, or to advocate for or take action to achieve the same. How they see me is irrelevant. Humans are tricky.

Seeing who rural America routinely votes for and that they rather vote for someone who hates the same people they hate at their own expense (including people who look like me) - I stop caring, I’m over it.

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Post by SlinkyOnStairs »

reenorap wrote: post #71

The title is extremely deceitful. They filed H1Bs for 2025 and 2026, but not after or during the layoffs from last week. That’s like saying “Oracle hires tens of thousands and mass layoffs” (* hired during the pandemic)

> They filed H1Bs for 2025 and 2026, but not after or during the layoffs from last week

These kinds of layoffs don't just happen on a whim, certainly aren't supposed to. Oracle's business conditions really didn't change that much over the past year.

It's perfectly reasonable to retroactively question a company's choice to hire immigrant workers relatively shortly before layoffs.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #221
toomuchtodo wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not need their approval to want better for them, or to advocate for or take action to achieve the same. How they see me is irrelevant. Humans are tricky.

Seeing who rural America routinely votes for and that they rather vote for someone who hates the same people they hate at their own expense (including people who look like me) - I stop caring, I’m over it.

Rural America is not the majority of America (81.7 million people, 24.4 percent of the U.S. population). ~70% of US GDP is from “blue” counties.

https://www.fhfa.gov/blog/insights/who-lives-in-rural-americ...

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2017/08/rural-america...

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by dudul »

thumbsup-_- wrote: post #203
dudul wrote: post #144

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What is the difference with new visa applications? H1B are supposed to be temporary when a company can't find employees in the country. Renewals are not meant to be automatic.

Renewals for people who are already working for an employer. Renewals don’t require searching for an american employee. Also, h1-b is limited to 6 years (one renewal) unless I-140 (green card) has been filed for the employee. In which case, renewals become unlimited until green card is granted. For Indians the GC queue is nearly infinite, hence too many renewals.

My question was rhetorical. Renewals shouldn't be treated differently from new applications in spirit.

The H1B worker is meant to temporarily fill a gap. If there is available US talent, the H1B worker should leave and be replaced by a citizen/permanent resident.

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Post by dudul »

declan_roberts wrote: post #191
dudul wrote: post #147

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Absolutely not. The current administration had a chance to do something really radical and they just completely fumbled it. They won't reopen this file.

Every administration until this one has had a chance to do something about h1b and didn't do jack. At least this administration is doing SOMETHING.

They barely did anything. They could have done something great. They could have ended the program all together, they could have put a serious cap on it, they could have made the $100k fee a yearly fee, etc

But no, they did virtually nothing. I would even be surprised if more than 100 companies paid the one time $100k fee at this point with all the loopholes that were included.

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Post by Dig1t »

naveen99 wrote: post #207
Dig1t wrote: post #48

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Sadly I think you're wrong on this one. Trump's donors benefit from H1B cheap labor. Musk, Elison, etc contributed large sums to Trump's campaign. Just look at Musk's "fuck your own face" tweets from Dec 2024 and you'll see how the people with power feel about this issue. As usual the middle class is being squeezed by the oligarchy. The 100k fee basically does nothing to curb H1B cheap labor. It's a one-time fee, and…

I thought the $100k h1b fee is annual

It was announced as such, but the administration quietly issued an update the day after it was announced “clarifying” that it was actually a one-time fee.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nicoburns wrote: post #215
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #159

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> real wage growth. Something that's not existed since the 1970s Real wages are 15% higher than they were in 1979 [1]. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Only because the inflation metrics don't include housing.

> Only because the inflation metrics don't include housing

Which price index are you looking at that doesn’t include housing?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

noosphr wrote: post #196
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #182

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> That is not hourly earnings Hourly earnings (nominal) have grown at 3.2% per year between 2006 and 2025 [1]. Inflation in that interval was 2.7% [2]. > Americans are working longer than they did in 1970 Source? These data show hours worked are down [3]. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES0500000003 [2] https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1&year1=200601... [3] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=18…

If you look very carefully you can notice that 2006 is not 1970. >Source? These data show hours worked are down [3]. https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2018/october/how-h...

Do you have the underlying data? I’m curious if per capita is being averaged across whole population or workers. If the former, that seems to penalize younger-aged countries.

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Post by nxm »

Muromec wrote: post #211
PearlRiver wrote: post #65

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The US only has two political parties and they are both, secretly, pro immigration. The EU is actually clamping down on it because of populist/far right parties. I know someone who runs a Thai restaurant and he cannot fly in a cook from Asia. He has to find someone from Europe.

The EU is mostly clamping down on asylum seekers that are abusing the procedural rules, despite not having a solid claim on asylum. Think of someone from a place that isn't nice enough, but well above the threshold of absolute shitshow with genocidal aftertaste that allows protection. Such people, by virtue of claiming to require asylum get temporary protection and right to residence and then clog the system by appea…

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