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Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by patja »

pj_mukh wrote: post #37
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

491 Oracle jobs cut in Washington State isn't nothing

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by Muromec »

luckydata wrote: post #106
pj_mukh wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

If America is at near full employment why don't I have a job after looking for 6 months. This is a load of nonsense.

You are looking for a good job, not any job. Capital allocator decided that you do not deserve a good one anymore. Time to shake the fist at the sky and blame the times.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by thumbsup-_- »

dudul wrote: post #144
thumbsup-_- wrote: post #140

Most of these would just be visa renewals. Though it wouldn’t be click bait enough to mention in article title

What is the difference with new visa applications? H1B are supposed to be temporary when a company can't find employees in the country. Renewals are not meant to be automatic.

Renewals for people who are already working for an employer. Renewals don’t require searching for an american employee.

Also, h1-b is limited to 6 years (one renewal) unless I-140 (green card) has been filed for the employee. In which case, renewals become unlimited until green card is granted.

For Indians the GC queue is nearly infinite, hence too many renewals.

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Post by AlexCoventry »

b112 wrote: post #189
janalsncm wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> America is at near full employment Pretty sure that is the U3 rate which only counts people as unemployed if they are actively looking for a job. The U6 is better and rarely falls below 5%: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/U6RATE

Same issue in my country with employment rates. Yes, some of those have been looking for work for so long that they slide from looking to "not looking" automatically. However at the same time, some of those people actually don't want to work . And if they don't want to work, why would that impinge upon full employment, because what is the plan? Force people to work who are retired, or don't want to? Work or go to jai…

Giving up looking is not necessarily the same as not wanting a job.

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Post by smsm42 »

pj_mukh wrote: post #37
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

I din't know which planet you are on, but on this one replacing is enforced extremely infrequently, and anybody who had to deal with the process knows it. Your example, where they catch the whopping 12 (!) cases - out of almost 100k h1bs per year - is only a testament of how small the enforcement is.

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Post by locao »

maest wrote: post #35
mikert89 wrote: post #17

Where did my standard of living go? Couldnt possibly have to do with imported labor working around the clock under the threat of being kicked out of the country

Cheap labour producing goods for the native population at low costs should increase your standard of living, no? It makes the products you buy cheaper. By your logic, if you were the only person in the country, you'd live like a king.

Tbf, if I was the only person in the country, no one would stop me of being the actual king.

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Post by naveen99 »

Dig1t wrote: post #48
cmiles8 wrote: post #6

I would expect further H1B crackdowns coming. The $100k fee was just the start.

Sadly I think you're wrong on this one. Trump's donors benefit from H1B cheap labor. Musk, Elison, etc contributed large sums to Trump's campaign. Just look at Musk's "fuck your own face" tweets from Dec 2024 and you'll see how the people with power feel about this issue. As usual the middle class is being squeezed by the oligarchy. The 100k fee basically does nothing to curb H1B cheap labor. It's a one-time fee, and…

I thought the $100k h1b fee is annual

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Post by toomuchtodo »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #194
toomuchtodo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have personally been in the room when illegal labor decisions were made around H-1B hiring and immigration law, which I reported to USCIS. But that doesn't scale unless you can get into more places where these decisions are made. So, when all you have is a hammer, you have to hit whatever is within reach of the target outcome. > you’re probably not “the little guy”, you’re probably in the top 10% if you make more t…

The median income earner is making around $65K. They don’t see you as one of them if you are making even six figures

I do not need their approval to want better for them, or to advocate for or take action to achieve the same. How they see me is irrelevant. Humans are tricky.

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Post by fooker »

declan_roberts wrote: post #187
fooker wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not much preventing you from starting a company and not hiring immigrants. This is something I'd encourage everyone with strong opinions about work visas to try and accomplish. You don't change a system by crying about it on anonymous internet forums, you do it by competing against it and making it redundant.

It's better to stop a bad program at the source and improve the lives all of American software engineers.

You are absolutely right!

Good luck though.

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