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Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by dudul »

moshegramovsky wrote: post #46
dominotw wrote: post #33

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workers dont. but dont speak against it either because they are scared of losing heir jobs from accusations of racism.

I work in Bellevue, WA, and there are a lot of Indians. How many are on H-1B? I I don't know. Anyway, I am a life long Democrat, but the Democratic Party needs to do something huge for American workers (like single payer healthcare) or we'll have Trump III or its equivalent or worse than that.

I don't think "American workers" are the target demographic of the Democratic Party though.

And yes, the next round will be "worse than Trump". The reality is Trump ran on certain principles that his voters adhered to, and he didn't deliver. The next logical step will be to support somebody even more "extreme".

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Post by nvgrw »

MrWiffles wrote: post #120

What I’m not clear on - how many of these H1B hires are subject to the EO that jacked up the fee to $100k per person? Assuming even just 100 of them were, that’s still ten million USD (assuming I didn’t visualize the zeroes in my head wrong…), and a really large fee to justify to the board if you’re otherwise paying “roughly the same” in salary. Productivity is going to basically break even anyway after a few years.…

Very few, probably. It only applies to consular processing, and only brand new petitions. And that’s ignoring the likelihood that all of this might get struck down by a court (on appeal) at some point given the administration’s propensity for breaking the law. EOs aren’t law on their own.

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Post by midnightclubbed »

kstrauser wrote: post #26

No. Abso-f'ing-lutely not, no way, no how. You cannot force me to believe that the talent they're looking for isn't available here already.

Until maybe 2 years ago absolutely. Huge demand for tech workers and not enough smart US workers to fill the roles… lots of low quality candidates from crappy colleges but anyone with skills or smarts (and not unreasonable salary expectations) got a job.

Since the ai data center cash suck the jobs have dried up… ai productivity gains maybe too, although we’re waiting to see meaningful results there.

From a recruitment perspective it’s still difficult to find experienced candidates with specific skill sets because any job openings get flooded with 10,000 ai generated slop applications that have to be screened by ai and the 10 excellent candidates get lost.

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Post by rayiner »

MSM wrote: post #125
pj_mukh wrote: post #37

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Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

Either I'm stupid or [2] doesn't actually say anything at all. It starts with "in 2025..." And later talks about how estimates are expected to rise in 2023 and beyond while referencing data that ended in 1988 . What am I missing? "In 2025, it was estimated that over 163 million Americans were in some form of employment, while 4.16 percent of the total workforce was unemployed. This was the lowest unemployment rate si…

> This was the lowest unemployment rate since the 1950s,

This is only true if you define “unemployment” narrowly to exclude people who are in school. In 1950, you could get a job out of high school. Today, you need to spend four years in college, sometimes more.

Counting people who are in school as “not unemployed” ignores the opportunity cost of school. You’re spending 4 years in the prime of your life. And during that time you’re not earning any income, but instead paying money. So even if eventually your job prospects are as good as they were in 1950, clearly the economy isn’t as good as it was when you could hit that same rate without people making that up front investment.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

starik36 wrote: post #72
pj_mukh wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

> America is at near full employment Then why does it take months and months for even experienced devs to land a job?

> why does it take months and months for even experienced devs to land a job?

Software is undergoing a secular downsizing. It increasingly looks like we have too many SWEs, and that we need to support them retraining. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a labor shortage in other industries.

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Post by pvelagal »

MrWiffles wrote: post #120

What I’m not clear on - how many of these H1B hires are subject to the EO that jacked up the fee to $100k per person? Assuming even just 100 of them were, that’s still ten million USD (assuming I didn’t visualize the zeroes in my head wrong…), and a really large fee to justify to the board if you’re otherwise paying “roughly the same” in salary. Productivity is going to basically break even anyway after a few years.…

Trump's EO is crafted to hurt only Indian IT companies like Infosys, Wipro etc. American companies are more or less excluded from the EO.

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Post by sethev »

rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

I worked at a company once that posted h-1b jobs on a piece of paper on a board next to a restroom at the office. That was technically a publicly accessible area (if you had a guest pass).

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Post by bijowo1676 »

mulmen wrote: post #87
pj_mukh wrote: post #79

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Because their H1B status is tied to their job so they will put up with way more abuse.

they dont put up with abuse, it is very easy to change jobs on h-1b.

the only reason to put up with abuse is boatloads of money, which is the primary reason why people change job (including the h-1bs)

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Post by sunnyps »

prerok wrote: post #54
dominotw wrote: post #38

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lots ppl are confused in this comment section. h1b doesnt not require looking for a local first.

Sorry what? Yes, they do. Second-hand knowledge, though.

No, the requirement is that the job is for a speciality occupation and that the H1B be paid the prevailing wage for that job, not that there was an attempt to hire locally first.

For an I-140 PERM (employment based green card) however the requirement is that there was an effort made to hire locally first.

Most people on HN are uninformed about this, well actually uninformed in general.

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