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Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by orochimaaru »

QGQBGdeZREunxLe wrote: post #43

It's always puzzled me that layoffs don't result in a temporary bar from using the H1B system like it does for filing PERMs with the DoL.

The H1B has “speciality” categories. You can lay off in one “speciality” while hiring for others. It’s silly but that’s how it’s setup at the moment.

I agree with you. The category list in H1B needs to be trimmed. So that companies have less wiggle room for things like this.

The layoffs were also worldwide. Not sure what the impact to US workers was. India was hit hard.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by cyberax »

simianwords wrote: post #10

This whole H1B debacle tells me that people don't like it when employees are not fungible but this sentiment only exists selectively. The H1B i140 petition thing requires you to advertise the job before submitting the petition. How does this work if the employee is not fungible?

> The H1B i140 petition thing requires you to advertise the job before submitting the petition.

You're confusing things. I-140 is a green card application, not H1B.

H1B petition requires the I-129 form and an LCA from the DoL. No advertisement is required, except posting the LCAs in a conspicuous place in the company office.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by motbus3 »

reducesuffering wrote: post #21

If you want to hire an H1B and claim there is no American to do that job, what about the 30k employees you just laid off? None of them can do the software engineering, sales, HR, etc. that a company like Oracle works on 99% of the time? It's quite schizophrenic for basic engineering companies like Oracle, Cisco, eBay, Paypal, etc. to claim there are no Americans to do the software engineering they require after they…

Read this guy comment before taking it to this level

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pj_mukh

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by prerok »

dominotw wrote: post #38
reducesuffering wrote: post #21

If you want to hire an H1B and claim there is no American to do that job, what about the 30k employees you just laid off? None of them can do the software engineering, sales, HR, etc. that a company like Oracle works on 99% of the time? It's quite schizophrenic for basic engineering companies like Oracle, Cisco, eBay, Paypal, etc. to claim there are no Americans to do the software engineering they require after they…

lots ppl are confused in this comment section. h1b doesnt not require looking for a local first.

Sorry what? Yes, they do. Second-hand knowledge, though.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by motbus3 »

moshegramovsky wrote: post #32
calculatte wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What magical skills do the "damn foreigners" have that none of those 30,000 laid off employees don't have? What was the intent of the H1B? To find skills that don't exist in this country. What is H1B actually used for? Labor arbitrage, nepotism, kickbacks. There's really no excuse for defending it anymore.

H-1B exists to make unfathomably rich corporations and people even more unfathomably rich. That's the only reason. That's why we don't have single payer. How can corporations function if employees don't equate job loss with total economic and social ruin?

Not necessarily. Many of the technological revolution started with refugees and immigrants before, during and after ww2. And technically you should even count the NZ that were brought to create the rocket programs

Anyway, I feel that you need read this guy comment

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pj_mukh

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by [deleted] »

orochimaaru wrote: post #51
QGQBGdeZREunxLe wrote: post #43

It's always puzzled me that layoffs don't result in a temporary bar from using the H1B system like it does for filing PERMs with the DoL.

The H1B has “speciality” categories. You can lay off in one “speciality” while hiring for others. It’s silly but that’s how it’s setup at the moment. I agree with you. The category list in H1B needs to be trimmed. So that companies have less wiggle room for things like this. The layoffs were also worldwide. Not sure what the impact to US workers was. India was hit hard.

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Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by alephnerd »

dominotw wrote: post #40
alephnerd wrote: post #30

Meanwhile this March we saw 15k manufacturing jobs, 26k construction jobs, and 91k healthcare and education jobs added [0]. Those are the voters that matter (unionized, geographically spread out, didn't price everyone else out via remote work) - not SWEs. [0] - https://www.ft.com/content/82c1795b-704a-4da3-82ec-2f9cd52de...

construction, hospital nurses and daycare workers are the avialble jobs? so depressing and scary

> so depressing and scary

Union jobs with set hours and lower barriers to entry than software while offering middle class salaries? It's so horrible /s.

It's this attitude that makes people who don't have stakes in the software industry feel schadenfreude.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by saulpw »

pj_mukh wrote: post #37
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

From your first link, it says 10% of 28k employees in India were cut. I personally know several people who were laid off from Oracle this week (OCI). One person who's still there described it as a "bloodbath across our division" and says he counted 15k. I don't know what exactly he was counting but as we're in North America I am assuming they're all here. Whereas India layoffs were fewer than 3k. So that directly disputes your statement that "they've barely fired any American workers".

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

pj_mukh wrote: post #37
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

HN does know. Some of us question whether brave and courageous leadership knows.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

pm90 wrote: post #3

Oracle is a large company. Many of those laid off were outside the US. This is a non-story.

Not sure this is truly the “Oracle VP of Workforce Economics” posting on X, but it makes a good thread:

https://x.com/gothburz/status/2040142920674656482?s=46

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