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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Being 46 (and quite an active 46 year old, just finished a Skitour), am curious why the cutoff for these things tends to be 45?

There has to be some cutoff and I assume it's for law historic reasons, maybe other related laws reference that age.

Cynically speaking: the people making those laws probably don't want to be impacted by it. And Germany is effectively a gerontocracy.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Are homo sapiens the only species that organizes themselves into tribes and work towards the destruction of other tribes of same species?

No, Chimpanzees also have tribes and fight over territory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Are homo sapiens the only species that organizes themselves into tribes and work towards the destruction of other tribes of same species?

No, Chimpanzees also have tribes and fight over territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

TBF that is an isolated incident, not a distinguishing trait of a species.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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That seems more “oh we fucked up and didn’t realize our changes to the law imply this” than “Germany forces men to request permission to leave”.

Highly doubt it. This is a very new addition. Their fuck up was to pretend for ideological reasons that a country doesn't need an army. And that the concept of considering a country home and its culture as something worth preserving is just right wing bs. Now they are surprised that only very few men deliberately registered for armed service ...

We’ll see, I guess.

The quotes very much read to me like someone realizing what the change of Paragraph 2 means to Paragraph 3 means in real time and having to figure out what to answer to journalists.

I’m curious how that would work administratively though - would they require you to have that when trying to do Ausmeldung? And what about those who moved out before this law got changed?

Technically, do I need to go Bundeswehr office when I come back next time, to get the permission?

I _want_ to believe if this was a deliberate change that someone cared about; we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now because there would be clear answers to the very obvious questions here, but maybe my hope is misplaced.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Highly doubt it. This is a very new addition. Their fuck up was to pretend for ideological reasons that a country doesn't need an army. And that the concept of considering a country home and its culture as something worth preserving is just right wing bs. Now they are surprised that only very few men deliberately registered for armed service ...

We’ll see, I guess. The quotes very much read to me like someone realizing what the change of Paragraph 2 means to Paragraph 3 means in real time and having to figure out what to answer to journalists. I’m curious how that would work administratively though - would they require you to have that when trying to do Ausmeldung? And what about those who moved out before this law got changed? Technically, do I need to go B…

I'm not sure you understand how laws are made. It's not like "ooops a new law, who did that?" It's going through all sorts of processes with lots of people involved. And even if this is just an "innocent mistake", well, that would mean our government is run by a bunch of incompetent morons ...
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