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Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by litoE »

tengbretson wrote: post #89
legitster wrote: post #24

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??? People bring this up regularly, but I don't think it's that relevant. Studies regularly show that campaign contributions actually have very low influence on elections. Trump notably had much smaller campaign budgets than his opponents in both winning elections, not even including the massive amounts of brazen fraud he used to pay himself with the money. Fundamentally, it's presidential democracy that is flawed. W…

The electoral college gets a bad rap, but I almost wonder if going back to not having state popular votes determine presidential electors might be the move.

I also think that the system of party primary elections by popular vote is a big part of the problem. To win the Republican primary you have to be more "Republican" than your opponents. Ditto for the Democratic primary. Then you end up with candidates at the far ends of the spectrum instead of more centrist ones.

In congress this means a complete inability to compromise, resulting in the current stalemate. In the presidency, you end up with someone who thinks of his opponents as criminals deserving prosecution.

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by DivingForGold »

helterskelter wrote: post #11

Let's hope she doesn't get a pardon before he leaves office.

Never ceases to amaze me how all these lib newsites says Pam was "FIRED", when in fact it's FAKE NEWS. Pam was plumb worn out and chose to move on to private practice and chill out a bit.

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by JohnTHaller »

Simulacra wrote: post #7

I support this. We should prosecute these people and Bondi's excuse that the economy would collapse was so ridiculous as to be insulting. If crimes were committed the perpetrators must be prosecuted no matter who they are.

Trump will pardon her in exchange for her not testifying against him

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by andrewjf »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #87
quickthrowman wrote: post #32

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Trying to argue the 14th amendment doesn’t read as plainly as it does was a no-win situation. The government would have to argue it does not have jurisdiction (subject to the jurisdiction thereof) over illegal immigrants which would seemingly (IANAL) mean they’re immune to prosecution for any crime. You could probably find a hair splitting argument that the child must be born in an actual ‘State’, but aside from that…

The genesis of the Fourteenth Amenedment was to deny citizenship to any circumventing said jurisdiction, as the Confederate states had done. As illegal aliens have all done. Seems pretty cut and dry to me, especially considering SCOTUS previously ruled American Indians were not under the jurisdiction of The United States after the Fourteenth was ratified, requiring Congress to enact a law granting them citizenship. D…

Sources on the first paragraph? I can’t tell what you’re even trying at say.

DACA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_...) was an exec order specifically because those individuals were brought over (as children, with no agency over their fate) after they were born, not before, so of course they weren’t citizens via the 14th. You’re correct that It wasn’t a law passed by Congress, but it’s irrelevant. I’m not sure what you’re saying, talking anything about DACA in this context is irrelevant.

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by voganmother42 »

DivingForGold wrote: post #92
helterskelter wrote: post #11

Let's hope she doesn't get a pardon before he leaves office.

Never ceases to amaze me how all these lib newsites says Pam was "FIRED", when in fact it's FAKE NEWS. Pam was plumb worn out and chose to move on to private practice and chill out a bit.

How else is she going to get the dow back above 50k? Being a soulless lying ghoul is tiring though, so that checks out!

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by pseudohadamard »

salawat wrote: post #57
fhdkweig wrote: post #46

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> I think we as a nation need to understand the person we put in that office has that power, and choose accordingly. That's like taking the safety off a gun to remind people to be responsible. That doesn't work, and irresponsible people's decisions can negatively affect everyone (including other countries). We need all the safety measures we can get.

We had safety measures. It was called the Electoral College, and the entire reason it was put there was to get a small group of people separated from groupthink to really think " Are you SURE this is the right candidate?" Then states decided to pass laws to penalize the act of being a faithless elector, which is EXACTLY the mechanism of protection to keep a demagogue out of office. You can't sit here and whine about…

That's what continues to amaze me about this, there's numerous news stories saying his approval rating is down to 33% but what it actually means is that fully a third of all Americans are quite happy with having a dementia patient running the country. All it then takes is another 20% who aren't that happy but also not unhappy enough to do anything for him to keep pushing the US further off the cliff.

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, it also makes it a lot harder for anyone to say "How could ordinary Germans stand by and let Hitler do what he did?". It took him about six to eight years to get Germany to somewhere that Trump has managed in about one year.

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by rurban »

Simulacra wrote: post #7

I support this. We should prosecute these people and Bondi's excuse that the economy would collapse was so ridiculous as to be insulting. If crimes were committed the perpetrators must be prosecuted no matter who they are.

National Security!

And government will never be prosecuted. They are above the law.

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by panja »

mothballed wrote: post #77
sizzzzlerz wrote: post #13

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Chapter 3 - United States of America b. July 4, 1776, d. January 20, 2024. It was good while it lasted.

I'd argue it died during the civil war. The removal of secession as an option removes the most powerful check on federal power and set the cards for a collapse of constitutional constraints. Obligatory worth it cuz muh no more slavery (as if the white powers that be were ever really willing to die as a favor to the slaves themselves, one of the most laughable but widespread myths about the civil war).

Maybe if they would have punished the traitors...

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by nondrool »

happytoexplain wrote: post #26
helterskelter wrote: post #11

Let's hope she doesn't get a pardon before he leaves office.

Trump's abuse of the presidential pardon is so hideous, I wouldn't be surprised if this power granted by the original US Constitution is amended after he leaves, in response to his unprecedented lack of respect for it. However, I also wouldn't be surprised if nobody in power ever possesses the strength of character or simple morality to do so.

How so? Serious question too, as last I heard of any pardons it was Biden giving his son, and others, blanket pardons going back to 2014. Didn't even think that was possible to just willy nilly give pardons on anything and everything for a whole decade.
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