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Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by burnt-resistor »

happytoexplain wrote: post #26
helterskelter wrote: post #11

Let's hope she doesn't get a pardon before he leaves office.

Trump's abuse of the presidential pardon is so hideous, I wouldn't be surprised if this power granted by the original US Constitution is amended after he leaves, in response to his unprecedented lack of respect for it. However, I also wouldn't be surprised if nobody in power ever possesses the strength of character or simple morality to do so.

Giuliani selling them was the chef's kiss of ultimate, naked transactional prerogative exploitation of a traditional mechanism for exceptional humanitarian redress.

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by hyperhello »

elzbardico wrote: post #69
ffsm8 wrote: post #62

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We’re not that deep. One is bad enough. Biden was not senile or a pedophile. That was an obvious attempt to rub smear off of Trump. We do comprehend the existence of propaganda, it’s just that we can’t do anything about it anymore than you can.

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Post by fhdkweig »

elzbardico wrote: post #69
ffsm8 wrote: post #62

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> two senile pedophiles as president in sequnce

two? Who was the one other than Trump? (Which we don't even know that one for sure. We just know he protects them from prosecution)

Re: Trump fires Pam Bondi as attorney general

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Post by DANmode »

fhdkweig wrote: post #35
helterskelter wrote: post #11

Let's hope she doesn't get a pardon before he leaves office.

If she broke any state laws anywhere, that won't help her. Presidential pardons don't affect state crimes, and state pardons don't affect federal crimes. It is the closest thing to a check and balance on the power.

> Presidential pardons don't affect state crimes

What good has this done in any of the hundreds of scumbag drug and human trafficker cases that have been let free via Presidential pardons?!

Did a State come step in afterwards, in any, ever?

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Post by John23832 »

DANmode wrote: post #84
fhdkweig wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If she broke any state laws anywhere, that won't help her. Presidential pardons don't affect state crimes, and state pardons don't affect federal crimes. It is the closest thing to a check and balance on the power.

> Presidential pardons don't affect state crimes What good has this done in any of the hundreds of scumbag drug and human trafficker cases that have been let free via Presidential pardons?! Did a State come step in afterwards, in any , ever ?

While not directly connected to Jan 5, a surprising amount of the rioters ended up with state crimes.

It’s almost as if they were criminals all along.

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Post by jjtwixman »

mothballed wrote: post #77
sizzzzlerz wrote: post #13

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Chapter 3 - United States of America b. July 4, 1776, d. January 20, 2024. It was good while it lasted.

I'd argue it died during the civil war. The removal of secession as an option removes the most powerful check on federal power and set the cards for a collapse of constitutional constraints. Obligatory worth it cuz muh no more slavery (as if the white powers that be were ever really willing to die as a favor to the slaves themselves, one of the most laughable but widespread myths about the civil war).

Difficult to see how legalising secession would improve the US's situation right now.

Slavery was actually bad though and it's fascinating because one reads about all these deeply moral Americans who cared strongly about others, often along Christian lines, and you realise how deeply far the US has fallen culturally since doing something as intrinsically good as abolishing slavery. I mean can anyone imagine American society doing something as deeply good as abolishing slavery? The same people who elected Trump twice? I don't think so.

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

quickthrowman wrote: post #32
cosmicgadget wrote: post #8

The timing coincides with her office getting embarrassed in front of the Supreme Court, with Trump in artendance. P2025 had a plan but it was always going to struggle against the president's personality issues.

Trying to argue the 14th amendment doesn’t read as plainly as it does was a no-win situation. The government would have to argue it does not have jurisdiction (subject to the jurisdiction thereof) over illegal immigrants which would seemingly (IANAL) mean they’re immune to prosecution for any crime. You could probably find a hair splitting argument that the child must be born in an actual ‘State’, but aside from that…

The genesis of the Fourteenth Amenedment was to deny citizenship to any circumventing said jurisdiction, as the Confederate states had done. As illegal aliens have all done. Seems pretty cut and dry to me, especially considering SCOTUS previously ruled American Indians were not under the jurisdiction of The United States after the Fourteenth was ratified, requiring Congress to enact a law granting them citizenship.

DACA is another example, The Obama Administration could not get legislation passed to grant citizenship to those individuals, so drafted an Executive Order to not enforce the law (as he had previously sworn an Oath to do, I might add). And now many of those individuals are facing deportation.

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Post by thrance »

jsbisviewtiful wrote: post #23
barney54 wrote: post #18

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I don't know why you are getting downvoted for this comment. Bondi's promoting the DOW during a hearing was bizarre.

It was also indefensible. A few years back she campaigned on prosecuting pedophiles and, well, as AG she refused to do that. She went as far as protecting them.

Republicans have been following their overtly pro-pedophilia agenda for a while now. Bondi didn't hear from any victim, she failed to protect them and censor their informations in the files, while putting extra care in hiding the pedophile oligarchs that abused them.

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Post by tengbretson »

legitster wrote: post #24
mykowebhn wrote: post #6

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That the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling may have been the single worst thing to happen to the US.

??? People bring this up regularly, but I don't think it's that relevant. Studies regularly show that campaign contributions actually have very low influence on elections. Trump notably had much smaller campaign budgets than his opponents in both winning elections, not even including the massive amounts of brazen fraud he used to pay himself with the money. Fundamentally, it's presidential democracy that is flawed. W…

The electoral college gets a bad rap, but I almost wonder if going back to not having state popular votes determine presidential electors might be the move.

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Post by NewJazz »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #12
cosmicgadget wrote: post #8

The timing coincides with her office getting embarrassed in front of the Supreme Court, with Trump in artendance. P2025 had a plan but it was always going to struggle against the president's personality issues.

Also with Swallwell becoming aware the FBI had him under investigation. And he and Bondi are buds.

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