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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Xbox 360 controller: Good times! US Navy approved. Madcatz controller: Bad times! OceanGate approved.

OceanGate was Logitech not MadCatz

I deeply regret the error; MadCatz would have failed long before.

Gad those things were crap.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Low bandwidth is a bigger problem than high latency. If it takes half a second or even a second for your clicks to register it's not a big deal, you learn to work around it. But if the bandwidth is so low that it takes 5-10 seconds just to write the screen it really sucks.

I don’t know if this craft has it, but they’ve been announcing all over that we’ll get 4K over a 260mbps link from the moon, so that shouldn’t be a problem

O2O system - https://www.tomshardware.com/networking/artemis-ii-will-use-...

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

> Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents back and forth. To me that's probably much more interesting. We assume they have all this fancy NASA tech, probably some special communication protocols, but nope, email is fine. Still not sure why they'd use Outlook, but I guess it's easier than retraining astronauts on Alpine or Mutt. How long did the US military rely on mIRC... decades, maybe t…

If they have stock outlook they are doing normal networking and are connected to the normal internet over some deep-space antenna setup. So why not just use Debian and gmail in the browser if you want easy? The ISS uses Debian. I can't believe it's too hard to get astronauts to open Firefox

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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This talk about off-the-shelf hardware in space makes me wonder, given the clear line of sight, if it would be possible to detect their Wi-Fi access points' beacons from Earth. I'm not a "radio guy" and don't know if this would be impossible, simply on the basis of physics, due to the presumably low radiated power from the APs and the limitations of the size of typical antennas on the ground. (Obviously it's possible…

Probably not possible. Their Wi-Fi access point is inside the capsule, the capsule is made from metal and probably shielding the signal somewhat. Maybe even quite a lot if it's intended to provide some radiation shielding. Also it's low power as it only needs to work inside the capsule, at the given distances signal attenuation will make it almost impossible to pick up anything.

What’s the NROs take on capturing the signal from the ground? They already have it from a satellite in space.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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I quit Outlook and went to Thunderbird when I upgraded my CPU and Microsoft told me I had to re-purchase Outlook when I had paid for a "lifetime license". That was the last straw for me. I installed Linux and Thunderbird and have not looked back at Windows.

Obligatory Linux comment when speaking about Microsoft, windows or anything related. I don't have Linux but you guys make it hard to like it.

Dude you are on HN no Reddit, most people around here use Linux

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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The Apollo missions used a disposable bag you taped to your butt.

How come all hiking and road disposable bags don't have the tape.

Because hiking is usually done under gravity.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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This talk about off-the-shelf hardware in space makes me wonder, given the clear line of sight, if it would be possible to detect their Wi-Fi access points' beacons from Earth. I'm not a "radio guy" and don't know if this would be impossible, simply on the basis of physics, due to the presumably low radiated power from the APs and the limitations of the size of typical antennas on the ground. (Obviously it's possible…

As long as the orbit isn't changing, pointing the antenna is not hard and can be done by hand. I've done it with a handheld yagi antenna and the ISS, which has a 90-minute orbit (and an amateur radio repeater). I used a computer program to find the next overhead transit, paying attention to start & end times and start & end azimuth. Then used a watch to know where to point the antenna during the transit: at the horizon at the start, overhead halfway through the transit, at the opposite horizon at the end. Transits were 5-10 minutes so there's plenty of time to move the antenna.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#238
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Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

> on the guidance computer Source for this running on the GN&C (guidance and nav) computer? Isn’t that built by the ESA?

Ah, good point. The tweet just mentioned the "Artemis computer", but according to https://www.tomshardware.com/software/microsoft-office/artem... it's a separate system and not navigation.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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You're a couple decades behind the news. Basically every version of Windows since 95 has been on spacecraft carrying humans. The ISS notoriously migrated to Linux after a virus spread across their Windows XP systems. But these things aren't running the guidance computers -- they're laptops.

do you have a link on the virus part? I thought they moved simply for stability

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-spa...

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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You're a couple decades behind the news. Basically every version of Windows since 95 has been on spacecraft carrying humans. The ISS notoriously migrated to Linux after a virus spread across their Windows XP systems. But these things aren't running the guidance computers -- they're laptops.

Laptops have built-in battery backup lasting hours.

Are you suggesting that’s the reason they use them? They use laptops because desktops are too big. The laptops aren’t there as some sort of a contingency for a power loss. They’re there to do their research work. You know, how scientists on earth use laptops, and or desktops.
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