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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by MarsIronPI »

stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

mu4e in Emacs works well, or Notmuch, or even Gnus with a local Maildir. Or Mutt if you're more into that. None of these applications can be that much harder than flying the capsule can they?

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by MarsIronPI »

syntaxpr wrote: post #181
stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

Neither outlook nor thunderbird. Best option would be some web browser based email + local web server (on board)

Browsers are heavy and complicated. Better to use something TUI or very light GUI.

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Post by linsomniac »

geoduck14 wrote: post #160
EvanAnderson wrote: post #54

This talk about off-the-shelf hardware in space makes me wonder, given the clear line of sight, if it would be possible to detect their Wi-Fi access points' beacons from Earth. I'm not a "radio guy" and don't know if this would be impossible, simply on the basis of physics, due to the presumably low radiated power from the APs and the limitations of the size of typical antennas on the ground. (Obviously it's possible…

Ham radio enthusiasts might be able to help you out here. Hams already talk to the ISS on the 144-148 MHz band (which is close to the FM radio in your car). They have about a 15 minute window to talk to the ISS. They have a 90 minute orbit, too, so I would bet similar window to talk as Artemis II. The ISS is much closer to the earth than Artemis. Quick google tells me the Artemis is 184 times the distance as the ISS…

My HT radio has a mode (I've never tried) for talking to satellites. It uses the GPS to get the radio location, and then manages doppler shift for the frequency as it's coming toward or going away from you. So you'd likely need something in your WiFi connection to Artemis/Integrity to deal with that.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #96
ramesh31 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Is it just me that finds it terrifying that theres any Windows bits on a spaceship?" SpaceX Crew Dragon console interfaces are entirely React apps

Good! I've long said that Embedded UIs should be transitioning to being locally hosted webapps for a variety of reasons.

God, no. The last thing we need is to bring the bloated, slow, unpleasant to use nature of web apps to embedded devices.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by MarsIronPI »

sheepscreek wrote: post #173
xg15 wrote: post #151

Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

…and we managed to do this without AI!

but... but... mandatory AI quota!

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by linsomniac »

somat wrote: post #91
stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

Email(smtp) is not a bad choice for messaging in space(or anywhere really) it is a well understood robust protocol designed in a time when all networks were slow and intermittent. Exactly what you need in space. IMAP probably not so much, It depends too much on having a good network. unless the imap server is on the spaceship(heh, spaceSHIP, that is an optimistic term, but it is all we have, so going with it), I woul…

>Email(smtp) is not a bad choice for messaging in space

Email (Taylor UUCP g protocol) is a better choice for messaging in space. Resuming partial transmission is great! I used it up until ~2010 and it worked really great on some very, very crappy connections (modems, obviously, CDPD, phone tethering in spotty locations, bad WiFi setups)...

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by oxag3n »

undersuit wrote: post #194
flysand7 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1969: Our toilets suck, better be miticulous and careful with waste 2026: Too much shit, we need to design new toilets

The Apollo missions used a disposable bag you taped to your butt.

How come all hiking and road disposable bags don't have the tape.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by majkinetor »

nasretdinov wrote: post #27

The poor technicians having to RDP with (what I imagine must be) a horrible latency. Although still might be better than some corporate environments lol

They do not have to RDP. Powershell remoting or SSH are way faster way to examine the system.

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Post by vsgherzi »

kube-system wrote: post #144
liendolucas wrote: post #39

Is this actually true? What's next? A BSOD? I would have ever ever in my life bet that Microsoft software could be shipped in a spacecraft carrying human beings. Unbeliveable.

You're a couple decades behind the news. Basically every version of Windows since 95 has been on spacecraft carrying humans. The ISS notoriously migrated to Linux after a virus spread across their Windows XP systems. But these things aren't running the guidance computers -- they're laptops.

do you have a link on the virus part? I thought they moved simply for stability

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Post by cobertos »

bombcar wrote: post #188
cj wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related thread from 2023 about the US Navy using Xbox 360 controllers instead of custom built hardware. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408604

Xbox 360 controller: Good times! US Navy approved. Madcatz controller: Bad times! OceanGate approved.

OceanGate was Logitech not MadCatz
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