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I'm betting in 15 years, people will still be using Outlook (classic). This is the culture.
The culture is correct, the new version of Outlook is hot garbage
Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
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#192Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…
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#193The astronaut's quote needs to be a billboard ad.. "I also see I have 2 instances of Outlook, and neither of those are working".
One is hacked by a Russian hacker group based in St. Petersburg, the other is hacked by a Chinese hacker group, and the third instance was actually BackOrifice but it couldn't get enough resources to run because of the other two.
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1969: Every bit of every line of assembly manually woven into core rope memory by highly skilled technicians. 2026: We filled up our 2 TB flash. How do we get another?
1969: Our toilets suck, better be miticulous and careful with waste 2026: Too much shit, we need to design new toilets
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Related thread from 2023 about the US Navy using Xbox 360 controllers instead of custom built hardware. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408604
Xbox 360 controller: Good times! US Navy approved. Madcatz controller: Bad times! OceanGate approved.
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#196Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…
There's no way that outlook is the best tool for the job though, and it's no surprise at all that they're having problems with it. It's a complete mess with insane amounts of overhead and bloat if all you want to do is send text. Even the message headers it sends/mangles are trash. It's a pain to work with on the end user side too. I can't imagine that they couldn't have written a basic email client that would do the job better with far fewer problems/resources or used/built off of any number of decades old open source projects.
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#197Why on God's green earth is Windows running on the Artemis spaceship?
Most UK government excuse: "The programme undertaken by the Royal Navy and BAE Systems to equip the fleet with a Windows-based command system was completed in just 18 days."
Translated: "You couldn't do better in 18 days, so you don't have a right to worry or criticize. Also, don't ask why this was pushed off until the last 18 days of the project."
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#198Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.
We went from NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory’s Power of Ten rules to ‘have you tried restarting Microsoft Outlook?’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_10:_Rules_for_Dev...
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Is this incident not reason enough? Astronauts in space are needing remote support to debug it, and taking up priceless mission time.
Sure, but bespoke software isn't necessarily going to be more reliable. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-... > The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they’ve been fixed.
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Good! I've long said that Embedded UIs should be transitioning to being locally hosted webapps for a variety of reasons.
What would that variety of reasons be? Genuinely asking.
Tons of existing libraries and frameworks. Essentially every UI problem you're likely to have is solved already, there are Known Good ways of dealing with most problems that you'll encounter.
Consistent interface: the primary interaction element is the browser and HTML is the simplest thing there is to generate. You can write a basic webserver in an afternoon.
And so on...