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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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I'm betting in 15 years, people will still be using Outlook (classic). This is the culture.

The culture is correct, the new version of Outlook is hot garbage

The new version of outlook is our only hope of escaping the IE 6 email renderer in classic outlook, sadly.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#192

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

I'd have just set up a backup mail client if someone insisted on Outlook. These sorts of issues are very common, and having a backup is the textbook solution if something might go wrong.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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The astronaut's quote needs to be a billboard ad.. "I also see I have 2 instances of Outlook, and neither of those are working".

One is hacked by a Russian hacker group based in St. Petersburg, the other is hacked by a Chinese hacker group, and the third instance was actually BackOrifice but it couldn't get enough resources to run because of the other two.

Your best hope is a fourth group hacks in (probably best Korea) and fixes one of the other two.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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1969: Every bit of every line of assembly manually woven into core rope memory by highly skilled technicians. 2026: We filled up our 2 TB flash. How do we get another?

1969: Our toilets suck, better be miticulous and careful with waste 2026: Too much shit, we need to design new toilets

The Apollo missions used a disposable bag you taped to your butt.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Related thread from 2023 about the US Navy using Xbox 360 controllers instead of custom built hardware. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408604

Xbox 360 controller: Good times! US Navy approved. Madcatz controller: Bad times! OceanGate approved.

Having had the unfortunate experience of using MadCatz controllers, I would doubt the sanity of anyone that selected one

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#196

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

Email is a pretty good way to send short text messages, but it's not great at sending files. The basic protocols are pretty simple and we've got a lot of experience using them. I can see the appeal of email.

There's no way that outlook is the best tool for the job though, and it's no surprise at all that they're having problems with it. It's a complete mess with insane amounts of overhead and bloat if all you want to do is send text. Even the message headers it sends/mangles are trash. It's a pain to work with on the end user side too. I can't imagine that they couldn't have written a basic email client that would do the job better with far fewer problems/resources or used/built off of any number of decades old open source projects.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#197
post #47

Why on God's green earth is Windows running on the Artemis spaceship?

British nuclear subs were running Windows XP until at least 2017. It's easy to google, but the best article about it is No, Trident doesn't run on windows XP (https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-trident-doesnt-run-window...), which ironically makes it very clear that Trident subs were running on Windows XP and had no plans to replace it.

Most UK government excuse: "The programme undertaken by the Royal Navy and BAE Systems to equip the fleet with a Windows-based command system was completed in just 18 days."

Translated: "You couldn't do better in 18 days, so you don't have a right to worry or criticize. Also, don't ask why this was pushed off until the last 18 days of the project."

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#198
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Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

We went from NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory’s Power of Ten rules to ‘have you tried restarting Microsoft Outlook?’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_10:_Rules_for_Dev...

Restart which one?!

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Is this incident not reason enough? Astronauts in space are needing remote support to debug it, and taking up priceless mission time.

Sure, but bespoke software isn't necessarily going to be more reliable. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-... > The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they’ve been fixed.

This quote is completely and totally irrelevant. Nobody is saying they should code a new Outlook. If they did code something, it would be significantly smaller in scope and rigorously tested like spacebound programs in the past were. "New space-engineering-grade code created with actual engineering practices" is absolutely going to be more reliable than "old bloated commercial shitware". But I guess software engineering is a lost art, so it can't be helped.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Good! I've long said that Embedded UIs should be transitioning to being locally hosted webapps for a variety of reasons.

What would that variety of reasons be? Genuinely asking.

Main reason is easy availability of developers. Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a web developer, whereas try finding one that even knows what LVGL is.

Tons of existing libraries and frameworks. Essentially every UI problem you're likely to have is solved already, there are Known Good ways of dealing with most problems that you'll encounter.

Consistent interface: the primary interaction element is the browser and HTML is the simplest thing there is to generate. You can write a basic webserver in an afternoon.

And so on...

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