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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by mememememememo »

somat wrote: post #91
stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

Email(smtp) is not a bad choice for messaging in space(or anywhere really) it is a well understood robust protocol designed in a time when all networks were slow and intermittent. Exactly what you need in space. IMAP probably not so much, It depends too much on having a good network. unless the imap server is on the spaceship(heh, spaceSHIP, that is an optimistic term, but it is all we have, so going with it), I woul…

Spacecraft? Shuttle?

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by sombragris »

jayofdoom wrote: post #131
sombragris wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. Claws-mail ( https://claws-mail.org ) has a good working Windows version. Native desktop app, lightweight, extremely fast, able to handle multigigabyte inboxes for breakfast. The only drawback for some would be that it does not compos…

I used this for a while. It doesn't display HTML emails just fine. It only supports a subset of stuff which -- as a geek is awesome because it protects me -- but would be hideous to give to a normal user. Literally less than half of my emails were readable.

Are you sure? You used the the Fancy HTML Viewer plugin, which uses WebkitGTK2? I never had any problems with HTML Mail rendering in Claws. Your experience must be clearly peculiar to yourself.

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Post by Thlom »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #49
pinum wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At its current distance, best case RTT would be about 420ms

That wouldn't be terrible to use. I feel like I've done worse supporting in-cab computers on fleet vehicles across 3G cellular. Keyboard shortcuts and "caching" the state of the remote client in your mind are the keys to doing that work.

Low bandwidth is a bigger problem than high latency. If it takes half a second or even a second for your clicks to register it's not a big deal, you learn to work around it. But if the bandwidth is so low that it takes 5-10 seconds just to write the screen it really sucks.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by kube-system »

liendolucas wrote: post #39

Is this actually true? What's next? A BSOD? I would have ever ever in my life bet that Microsoft software could be shipped in a spacecraft carrying human beings. Unbeliveable.

You're a couple decades behind the news. Basically every version of Windows since 95 has been on spacecraft carrying humans. The ISS notoriously migrated to Linux after a virus spread across their Windows XP systems.

But these things aren't running the guidance computers -- they're laptops.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by relaxing »

jubilanti wrote: post #42
xnyan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not letting Microsoft off the hook here, but if you have an expensive metered connection and you're trusting clients (especially a modern personal computer of any operating system type)to play nicely with bandwidth, that's 100% on you.

That's a really sorry state of things, then. There's zero trust in software now, in the literal sense. How did it get that we live in a world where you can't trust a client to enforce its own documented behavior? How did it get to be the user's fault for not using OS and hardware level measures and not the software vendor's fault when the "Automatic updates" toggle is a no-op?

The world where any unpatched system is a guaranteed botnet.

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Post by marcosdumay »

stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

You'd want fetchmail with some local server.

And if you are going with some local server, the Exchange/Outlook family is just the worst possible option. Those people already have enough stuff to maintain up there, they don't need something that require in-house expert admins.

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Post by relaxing »

lateforwork wrote: post #139
AmVess wrote: post #102

Running Windows in outer space takes some pretty big balls. Gives me a cold sweat just thinking about it.

What should they be using instead? These astronauts are not Linux hackers.

These astronauts are trained to use the system NASA puts them in.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by marcosdumay »

workfromspace wrote: post #128
EvanAnderson wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coordinating time-zone issues between remote meeting participants on a single celestial body is complex enough. >smile<

That gives me so many questions: Should there be a non-Earth timezone? How do you define a "day" in space? Is there a day light saving in space? At least they are not travelling near the speed of light. That's a whole different can of worms.

At least the proposal let's time-zones go away, since "day" is completely artificial:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timekeeping_on_the_Moon#Coordi...

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