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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well.

However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users.

IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements.

EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents back and forth.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Oh ya I remember how some computer pulled a windows update over a satellite connection during a research flight (aircraft). That was super expensive, wow. Now Microsoft servers are banned at the outgoing point since you couldn’t reliably stop it the computer itself and new teams with new computers come in.

I'm not letting Microsoft off the hook here, but if you have an expensive metered connection and you're trusting clients (especially a modern personal computer of any operating system type)to play nicely with bandwidth, that's 100% on you.

That's a really sorry state of things, then. There's zero trust in software now, in the literal sense. How did it get that we live in a world where you can't trust a client to enforce its own documented behavior? How did it get to be the user's fault for not using OS and hardware level measures and not the software vendor's fault when the "Automatic updates" toggle is a no-op?

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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We migrated earlier this year and had a similar problem. Outlook (classic) works differently than the OWA version. They keep the classic version so people don't spontaneously throw a chair out a window. It's being phased out slowly.

I'm betting in 15 years, people will still be using Outlook (classic). This is the culture.

It depends on how badly Microsoft continues to fuck up Outlook (classic).

I don't use Outlook for my personal email, but I've used it in various corporate engagements and not been wholly dissatisfied. Newer versions are slower, more bloated, and unstable (though add-ins-- especially the Teams add-in-- contribute to that).

The most egregious regression, for me, has been the "Advanced Find" functionality (which was wonderful in the 97 thru 2010 versions) being changed-out for the god-awful search box within the Outlook window.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

I don't know why people are surprised by this. Using suitable off-the-shelf solutions for non-mission-critical purposes seems like a very reasonable thing to do.

I'm recalling this from my memory of "The Space Above Us" podcast: There were various bespoke teleprinters sent up on early shuttle flights that had exciting failure modes (if I remember correctly one of them started smoking) and in at least a couple of cases they had to stow the new hardware and pull out the old backup hardware because the new stuff didn't work.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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At a previous job I was a developer on a medical instrument that used Windows to run the UI. Before everyone gets all up in arms about it, Windows/Linux UI & database with external microcontrollers handling real-time control is a very common architectural choice for medical and industrial equipment. To the point where many Systems-on-Module (SoMs) come with a Linux-capable ARM processor and a separate, smaller proces…

Isn't this what Embedded Windows was always for, like for use in medical equipment, ATMs, POS, PLC, oscilloscopes, etc? Basically stuff that's supposed to be fire-and-forget, run 24/7 and that the user shouldn't be able to tinker with. And also what group policies were for, that can disable the user from installing any software? Am I wrong to assume that the fuckup was on your end, for using the wrong tool and not co…

Back in like early aughts I remember seeing an ATM in Rome that had evidently crashed and was sitting at a DOS prompt. I was much younger then, but I remember thinking it wasn't terribly surprising, but it was also a bit of a wizard of oz moment.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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The poor technicians having to RDP with (what I imagine must be) a horrible latency. Although still might be better than some corporate environments lol

At its current distance, best case RTT would be about 420ms

That wouldn't be terrible to use. I feel like I've done worse supporting in-cab computers on fleet vehicles across 3G cellular.

Keyboard shortcuts and "caching" the state of the remote client in your mind are the keys to doing that work.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm betting in 15 years, people will still be using Outlook (classic). This is the culture.

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As long as Linux distros have such shit accessibility stories, MacOS and Windows being available should be a requirement for all systems in government.
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