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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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I'm betting in 15 years, people will still be using Outlook (classic). This is the culture.

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And also because apparently "nobody has ever been fired for choosing Microsoft", which is something that should start happening more often if you ask me

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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I want to say something like "oh well, this is certainly a non-critical piece of software". Hopefully it's the convenient dashboard and there are other, more hardened consoles for fallback or something. But in all seriousness, and without glibness or sarcasm: I cannot comprehend how there is any "unexpected" software running on that spacecraft, regardless of operating system. EDIT*** For those who like me only watche…

They have a diverse range of devices, including iPhones

It'd be fun to be a telco tech and realize that you've an attempted connection from an iPhone 50 miles up and receding fast.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm betting in 15 years, people will still be using Outlook (classic). This is the culture.

The culture is correct, the new version of Outlook is hot garbage

Which "new" Outlook? I think there's like 3 versions of Outlook currently on the market. The Classic Win32 one they want you to stop using, the new Lite variant bundled for free with Windows 11, and the new Full Spec one that comes with Office 365, both of which are built on web technologies IIRC.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Bashing on MS products and on ReactJS (apparently used by spacex UIs) is a common pastime here and I'm guilty of it myself. But here we're talking about actual space rockets flying to space with humans in them. My expectation would be that something like https://tigerstyle.dev/ would be followed or the NASA rules linked from there https://spinroot.com/gerard/pdf/P10.pdf

At a previous job I was a developer on a medical instrument that used Windows to run the UI.

Before everyone gets all up in arms about it, Windows/Linux UI & database with external microcontrollers handling real-time control is a very common architectural choice for medical and industrial equipment. To the point where many Systems-on-Module (SoMs) come with a Linux-capable ARM processor and a separate, smaller processor for real-time, linked via shared memory.

Anyway, a customer called to report a weird bug that we couldn't resolve. After remoting into the instrument, we discovered that one of the lab technicians had attempted to install Excel on it. At some point the install must have failed, but it left a .dll behind that was causing a conflict with something in our code and keeping the UI from starting properly.

No, we did not learn anything from this incident...

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Why in the name of all that's holy would you use a Microsoft product on a mission like this? Just about the only thing you can trust about MS is that their software is buggy.

USS Yorktown, the aegis missile carrier comes to mind for some reason. I think it was the same ship which shot down a passenger airliner.

I believe that the use of Windows NT for Aegis control was fleet-wide, so that problem wasn't unique to the Yorktown. That just happened to be where it was discovered.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Bashing on MS products and on ReactJS (apparently used by spacex UIs) is a common pastime here and I'm guilty of it myself. But here we're talking about actual space rockets flying to space with humans in them. My expectation would be that something like https://tigerstyle.dev/ would be followed or the NASA rules linked from there https://spinroot.com/gerard/pdf/P10.pdf

At a previous job I was a developer on a medical instrument that used Windows to run the UI. Before everyone gets all up in arms about it, Windows/Linux UI & database with external microcontrollers handling real-time control is a very common architectural choice for medical and industrial equipment. To the point where many Systems-on-Module (SoMs) come with a Linux-capable ARM processor and a separate, smaller proces…

Isn't this what Embedded Windows was always for, like for use in medical equipment, ATMs, POS, PLC, oscilloscopes, etc? Basically stuff that's supposed to be fire-and-forget, run 24/7 and that the user shouldn't be able to tinker with.

And also what group policies were for, that can disable the user from installing any software?

Am I wrong to assume that the fuckup was on your end, for using the wrong tool and not configuring it properly?

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Oh ya I remember how some computer pulled a windows update over a satellite connection during a research flight (aircraft). That was super expensive, wow. Now Microsoft servers are banned at the outgoing point since you couldn’t reliably stop it the computer itself and new teams with new computers come in.

I'm not letting Microsoft off the hook here, but if you have an expensive metered connection and you're trusting clients (especially a modern personal computer of any operating system type)to play nicely with bandwidth, that's 100% on you.
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