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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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It's a particularly misleading anecdote. In a sufficiently isolated population, you get the same effect from a sound-making greeting card, or a battery powered light and/or sound toy from a carnival. And for what it's worth, tomorrow they don't miss whatever “indistinguishable from magic” thing, so no harm done. // grew up near such areas

On TV, content changes all the time. It is "always new". In your examples, content is the same over and over. They would not be fascinating for too long because the novelty would wear off. Very different.

I was responding to the "violation of ethics". Both are novel or fascinating for a bit, no harm no foul.

And to be clear, same effect from a Kodak slide projector and carousel, just one carousel, endlessly fascinating. Anything is. A carved stick toy is. If you let them have the carnival gizmo, they'll wear it out. If you take it back, they happily go back to their toy made out of a stick.

If anything, a defining characteristic is a lack of boredom, that novelty doesn't wear off from things westerners might find quickly dull. At the same time, sameness and change are taken in stride, along with a disregard for aggregate time in general, neither planning ahead nor regard for "spending" it. Everything is in the moment.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

#902
post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

Yes, Sam Altman was talking about how he lost you on his blog and how it lead to Sora's downfall :D But honestly... I believe this too. There's just no value.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

#903

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The hardest part of a 2026 reading of Amusing Ourselves is that nothing within the pages is extraordinary anymore — the book is plainly boring once you know about the internets ... definitely groundbreaking, for its time.

Fair point. However, books like these show where society is heading and what values we are promoting as a society. As an aside, what was really interesting to me was learning that in 1850s white Americans had a 95% literacy rate (highest globally) and were able to easily follow debates between presidential candidates that lasted 3+ hours, and ask relevant questions. I doubt even the most educated people would be able…

>I doubt even the most educated people would be able to do that today.

Certainly this is a valid point.

>able to easily follow debates between presidential candidates that lasted 3+ hours, and ask relevant questions

This is likely one reason for keeping the masses month-to-month (~70% in US, 2024~). I hate to quote this madman, but Father Jones once said (before flavor-aide-ing his entire congregation):

>>~"Keep them poor and tired. If they're poor they won't have time to organize; if they're tired they won't have energy to fight back"~

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>1850s white Americans had a 95% literacy rate (highest globally)

Working in construction these past few decades, some of my favorite co-workers have barely been able to read — yet are brilliant field electricians (that often can read blueprints — but fuck this engineer they'll proudly mumble, often ["what the hell was he thinking, here?! wuz he thinkin'?!"]).

fuck this guy . laughter

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I fully support returning to a time when countries had smaller populations and embraced technologies in running themselves, their more-isolated population's needs.

As an older millenial american, I fully support the breakdown of USA into smaller territories (too large to reasonably rule, IMHO).

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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The hardest part of a 2026 reading of Amusing Ourselves is that nothing within the pages is extraordinary anymore — the book is plainly boring once you know about the internets ... definitely groundbreaking, for its time.

Fair point. However, books like these show where society is heading and what values we are promoting as a society. As an aside, what was really interesting to me was learning that in 1850s white Americans had a 95% literacy rate (highest globally) and were able to easily follow debates between presidential candidates that lasted 3+ hours, and ask relevant questions. I doubt even the most educated people would be able…

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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post #904

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Fair point. However, books like these show where society is heading and what values we are promoting as a society. As an aside, what was really interesting to me was learning that in 1850s white Americans had a 95% literacy rate (highest globally) and were able to easily follow debates between presidential candidates that lasted 3+ hours, and ask relevant questions. I doubt even the most educated people would be able…

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>some sort of dick measuring competition like some stupid 20 y/o over enthusiastic frat boys.

From my privileged perspective (as brother to a state-level politician, up for re-election this year) this isn't too far from his truth. I love him in the brotherly-required manner — but do not understand his ivory towered viewpoints. I've only ever seen him humbled, twice: after crashing his first motorcycle; getting arrested with him in 2003, no mercy to those officers.

All my brothers are very successful — making me blacksheep (along with a mentally-deficient step-brother == "doesn't count") — they'll often pull the "I grew up poor" punchline... my retort is that I'm the only one that got poorer. Through fault of my own, admittedly.

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None have outside "real world" perspective, having spent their entire lives in the educational _e_-daycares which can extend up to entire bayarea tech campus cafeteriæ. Surprising, moron-bro actually "served" 2003-2006, and even with a seventy-something IQ still knows a few things that 130+ IQ-bro-bros DON'T.

Definitely I'm proud of my brothers, but none of them are in the 70% of household that live month-to-month... while I've spent decades of adultlife struggling (willingly) so.

//rant//freeTherapy//thanks

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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The nuclear bomb is only a tool. Ditto nerve gas, and the rack. Tools absolutely _can_ have moral valence. Beyond that, they can also be more or less effective for a variety of purposes. I spent decades to achieve solid competence at a few different skills, and my experience of genAI thus far is that it can easily give the user the delusion of mastery, ensuring the user does not develop true skills, trapped in the fa…

The escalation is weird. A comparison to violence and the atomic bomb is silly. Like i said before, you are talking past me as if i were some other person. I agree there are many legitimate reasons. I never said there werent. This is that knee jerk reaction. Violence and atom bombs. There is so much ai llm or otherwise that is already deeply embedded in our lives some bad but some of it is actually good. Which is my…

Edge cases are useful examples. If I had picked less controversial, weaker ones, people would be more prone to dispute that tools can have moral implications of themselves.

You are absolutely right that I have a deep-seated hatred of LLMs being used for any of the manifold purposes I think they are manifestly unfit for.

My reaction is not knee-jerk, however - I have been watching the LLMs evolve since about 2019, letting my opinion form slowly while attending to them and seeing their capabilities improve.

I have concluded they are one of the rare tools whose worst uses are so awful that it is better to develop societal norms against their use and forgo the few benefits rather than risk their worst consequences.

I have very little hope of that happening, humans being what we are, but it is the perspective I have developed after a lot of slow, careful thought.

As far as arguing past you, I don't think I'm arguing at all.

I have shared my opinion, experiences and perspective, and that perspective is certainly very harsh on genAI.

As far as I can see, I have not written anything that disputes anything you've claimed it written, prior to this comment.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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The thing is, LLM's produce better quality one-shots than any of the products that get returned from overseas ultra-budget contractors in India or SEA. I don't know what that means for Western devs, but I can tell you that the fortune 500 I work for is dialing back on contracting and outsourcing because domestic teams can do higher-quality work faster.

>The thing is, LLM's produce better quality one-shots than any of the products that get returned from overseas ultra-budget contractors in India or SEA. Source?

lived experience

Re: Goodbye to Sora

#909
post #619

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Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. Hopefully AI outcompeting humans at slop sparks a renaissance of humans creating truly beautiful human artwork. And if it doesn't, then was anything of value truly lost?

> Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. What are you talking about? There’s lots of modern music that’s not corporate slop and that’s absolutely great. Never in history was access to great music as easy as it is now.

I'm talking about modern music. Just because a couple of dweebs on hackernews have "totally amazing underground music" doesn't mean the overall zeitgeist agrees. Regardless of your esoteric music tastes, music by sales and music by charting tells a very different story. And that story is one of replaceable slop.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

#910

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Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. Hopefully AI outcompeting humans at slop sparks a renaissance of humans creating truly beautiful human artwork. And if it doesn't, then was anything of value truly lost?

> Modern music has done this to itself I get my modern music from Bandcamp. If you can't find good stuff to listen to, that's a 'you' problem.

How much of your super-awesome bandcamp music is topping charts, selling millions, packing mega stadiums, and is penetrating the zeitgeist so deeply that people around the world are addicted to it?

Maybe, just maybe, I'm not talking about "my" music tastes, but offering commentary on the state of music at a global scale. Weird that this point was so hard to follow!

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