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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by lnenad »

freeplay wrote: post #807
lnenad wrote: post #742

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I'm not arguing that, OP said > RIP to one of the most evil products I've seen come out of the tech industry in my lifetime. I'm saying Sora isn't even in the top 100 of most evil products out of the tech industry.

I think the evil part is putting it in the hands of the general public. The ability to create propaganda and deep fakes gives everyone a powerful tool for manipulation. The rich and powerful are going to do whatever the want, anyway. Everyone having access to that same tool doesn't make it any less dangerous. There's nothing inherently evil about a knife. Standing outside of a high school and handing a knife to every…

> The ability to create propaganda

This has been possible for pretty much the entire history of humanity. The bar has been lowered, but not by a lot imho.

I don't disagree on the rest, and I didn't say there aren't bad uses, but there are many many good uses for AI/Sora. You can't say the same for weapons.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by [deleted] »

WarmWash wrote: post #673
Tade0 wrote: post #660

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> I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. The addictive toxic content will go the way of tobacco and explore new markets. Back in 2010 around 11% of the population of Indonesia was connected to the internet. Currently it's closer to 80% - largely via mobile phones. That's approximately 200mln new users. Nigeria and Pakistan are going throu…

I'm reminded of a video from the 80's/90's where researchers took a TV to the Amazon to see how "live off the land" tribes reacted to high technology. Apparently they stopped doing everything and just wanted to watch TV all day. And that was just regular old TV. Short form video is a special kind of crack. I see even old people getting hypnotized by it. And even worse, they're terrible at determining if something is…

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by shimman »

arthurcolle wrote: post #263
shimman wrote: post #222

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Just listen to actual audio books... literally doing double the work for no benefit... why?

Writing a book takes like 2-3 years on average. Papers are published everyday. Having a cute two-person "conversational chat" w/ audio works for a lot of people vs. just reading a paper. "No benefit" to you perhaps. Don't generalize the lived experience.

Okay but this person is literally saying that listening with LLM tools isn't helping their understanding and they have to still read the paper... why listen at this point? Why listen using a tool that literally causes you to do more work?

We all have the same amount of time on this Earth, saying how great a tool is that is causing you to do more work is just... weird?

I'd personally never do this, I value my time.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by sahildeepreel »

andai wrote: post #808
ghurtado wrote: post #693

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I'm gonna try to remember this comment for the next time someone brings up the boiling frog analogy. Which is usually back to back with the thought that in bygone times "the human mind used to be cleaner / healthier / smarter and it was slowly destroyed by modern living" There's not that much difference between our behavior and that of a chicken fixated on the chalk line in front of it.

In the 19th century, many authors lamented the frantic, unhealthy pace of modern life.

Highly recommend reading Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death.

in the 80's, he wrote about how shift from print media to TV has caused us to trade critical thinking for a 'numbing' addiction to constant amusement. Little did he know about social media..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by al_borland »

blharr wrote: post #258
al_borland wrote: post #149

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This could be taken two ways. 1. OpenAI killing off their own products aggressively, taking a page from Google’s book. (I think the way you meant it) 2. Products/companies that no longer exist because OpenAI, or AI in general, made them obsolete. (My first instinct when reading it)

>Products/companies that no longer exist because OpenAI, or AI in general, made them obsolete What would you place here anyways? Chegg and Stack Overflow?

This was more speaking to the hype of what people say AI is going to do, more so than the realities of what it's actually done so far.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

sahildeepreel wrote: post #884
andai wrote: post #808

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 19th century, many authors lamented the frantic, unhealthy pace of modern life.

Highly recommend reading Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death. in the 80's, he wrote about how shift from print media to TV has caused us to trade critical thinking for a 'numbing' addiction to constant amusement. Little did he know about social media.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death

The hardest part of a 2026 reading of Amusing Ourselves is that nothing within the pages is extraordinary anymore — the book is plainly boring once you know about the internets... definitely groundbreaking, for its time.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by freeplay »

lnenad wrote: post #881
freeplay wrote: post #807

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the evil part is putting it in the hands of the general public. The ability to create propaganda and deep fakes gives everyone a powerful tool for manipulation. The rich and powerful are going to do whatever the want, anyway. Everyone having access to that same tool doesn't make it any less dangerous. There's nothing inherently evil about a knife. Standing outside of a high school and handing a knife to every…

> The ability to create propaganda This has been possible for pretty much the entire history of humanity. The bar has been lowered, but not by a lot imho. I don't disagree on the rest, and I didn't say there aren't bad uses, but there are many many good uses for AI/Sora. You can't say the same for weapons.

Genuinely curious what the [morally] good use cases for Sora would be.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by KellyCriterion »

WarmWash wrote: post #673
Tade0 wrote: post #660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. The addictive toxic content will go the way of tobacco and explore new markets. Back in 2010 around 11% of the population of Indonesia was connected to the internet. Currently it's closer to 80% - largely via mobile phones. That's approximately 200mln new users. Nigeria and Pakistan are going throu…

I'm reminded of a video from the 80's/90's where researchers took a TV to the Amazon to see how "live off the land" tribes reacted to high technology. Apparently they stopped doing everything and just wanted to watch TV all day. And that was just regular old TV. Short form video is a special kind of crack. I see even old people getting hypnotized by it. And even worse, they're terrible at determining if something is…

Thats also the case today:

There was a report lately that smartphones brought to young natives in rural areas of Amazon/etc., completely stopped learning the skills that helped the tribes to survive (hunting etc.)

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