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Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label
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Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is forcing the DoD to contract with a company.
DoD would like to use Palantir. DoD also believes Anthropic is pursuing posttraining in future models that will limit the effectiveness of Palantir tooling, if used by Palantir, for the purposes of DoDs mission. What other legal mechanism do they have to prevent Palantir from specifically not subcontracting out to Anthropic, other than a supply chain risk designation? Note that directly asking Palantir to prefer Goog…
They can say "sorry Palantir, we will only sign a contract with you if you commit not to use Claude to provide services" and then Palantir is free to decide if they want to accept the terms of the contract or not. This is how business works.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would they implement such a policy? Amazon, Google, etc. aren't realistically going to terminate all business with Anthropic based on an informal policy that the DoD won't write down.
Same as they already pressure these companies. Remove access to the admin thus giving them unfavorable terms on other issues compared to their rivals. Tell them as much in private and what they can do to rectify it. That's this admin's whole modus operandi, is it not? There's a reason all the CEOs clamor to go to the relevant WH events.
A CEO's time isn't that valuable. Even if you count an amortized fraction of their total compensation, sending them to a White House event for an evening is orders of magnitude less costly than giving up access to the best software development tools.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed, and the dead comments (from new users!) overwhelmingly favor the government position. But, this is a non-story, because those comments were correctly killed precisely so they wouldn't clog up this thread.
Eh. The actors that use these features use a shotgun approach. The result is you see a bunch of dead comments and assume the system is working as intended, while a couple of the less inconspicuous comments persist. This happens frequently on specific topics.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you suggesting there is a government conspiracy to influence this dusty corner dive bar of the Internet?
Are there tech workers who don't know what HN is? It's a pretty reasonably sized social media site.
At my previous job at a well known, established large tech company - I didn't find anyone who had heard of HN.
Not about people using HN. But even being aware the site exists.
Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label
#117Had this conversation with a friend, but I think as an America you can be very optimistic about the institutional strength of democracy in the country. People are very pessimistic recently, but if anything, we are seeing that our system works well. A person got into power that a majority voted for, but when he oversteps, the courts and other institutions (even judges and fed reserve chairs he picked!) seem to hold hi…
> that a majority voted for
A majority of people who voted. Not a majority of eligible voters and certainly not a majority.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Did you read the order? It directly addresses your comment: > More importantly, as discussed above, no one is entitled to conduct business with the Federal Government, see Perkins, 310 U.S. at 127, and irrespective of the challenged actions, DoW and other federal agencies are free to terminate its contracts and agreements with Anthropic, as Anthropic readily admits. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourt…
This entire event came about because Anthropic raised concerns with Palantir and the Department around how Palantir used Claude when the Pentagon used Palantir in the Maduro raids.
The pentagon can terminate its direct contract with Anthropic but it does nothing to address the risk that Anthropic poses to the reliability of Palantir’s services, which are (at this point) critical to the way that the Department operates.
People keep repeating this lie and I’m sick of it. The direct usage of Claude by the pentagon is not what they’re trying to address, it’s the usage of Claude by Palantir that they’re trying to address. And this is the legal way for them to do that.
Again, for the third time in this thread, they MAY NOT ask Palantir off the record to just not use Anthropic. This would be extremely illegal and would give Anthropic standing to sue to the government.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
The military can work with someone else's product or use a bit of their trillion-dollar budget to come up with their own.
Yes, they can work with someone else. Marking them as a supply risk is one way they can avoid using them and instead use someone else for their needs. So now it seems like we are in a limbo where the government knows that Anthropic is a risk to work with, but they can't official put them on a list that states that.
Can you explain how Anthropic is a risk to work with?
Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label
#120Lost in the cacophony is the fact that Anthropic fumbled a strong lifeline while hemorrhaging cash without a business model. It’s fun to look down at OpenAI but they may not get another chance like this again.
OpenAI smells desperate, and is already understood to be overextended. It isn't Anthropic that retired their flashy video gen platform, ceding competitive ground to Google.