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Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by ethin »

0x3f wrote: post #8

Is the practical outcome much different? I doubt they'll get contracts either way, so the labelling was just a formality. If anything it seems the label was just intended to give a veneer of legitimacy to the admin by using an existing mechanism and terminology, rather than saying "we're going to block your access because we feel like it".

I believe designating an entity a supply chain risk has far deeper implications than the DoD avoiding that entity, and goes as far as a lawful prohibition for any contractor of the USG being also prohibited from using or working with the entity so designated. Ironically enough, if the comments in this discussion are true that Palantír uses Claude, Palantír would've also been prohibited as well.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by davidw »

fwipsy wrote: post #50
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #47

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Can you be more specific? I see a lot of uninformed takes, but no specific bias. Do you mean downvotes?

If you turn on the thing that shows 'dead' comments, there is a larger than normal number here.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by conception »

paulpauper wrote: post #5

So much for all that alarmism a month ago. Just got to be patient and wait for cooler heads to prevail. Or it goes to show how Anthropic handled it well, by making their case as persuasively and assertively without delay as they had done.

This case means nothing since the administration can simply say well we’re gonna treat them that way, even if they aren’t officially labeled and if you’re doing business with them, we’re gonna cancel your contract. Mob tactics don’t extend to the courtroom..

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by 0x3f »

why_only_15 wrote: post #42
0x3f wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Palantir are the only ones providing gov with Claude access

The point is that if DoD's supply chain restriction does what Hegseth seems to want, all contractors involved with Anthropic would have to divest. That includes Amazon and Google, who are both DoD contractors who provide massive quantities of capital and compute to Anthropic. It's irrelevant that Anthropic provides Claude through Palantir.

I'm not sure that's how the supply chain risk thing works. AFAIK, it has to be part of the supply chain for the products delivered to the DoD to count. I don't think just because Amazon is unrelatedly involved with Anthropic, this forces them to sever that relationship. I'm not sure if Hegseth thinks otherwise, but it's entirely possible that he is wrong or that being wrong is expedient to his threats.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by Waterluvian »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #46
Waterluvian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the verdict has been in for years now that there is nothing that Americans will mobilize against if it’s only the principles of freedom and liberty on the line. I think it will take being poked with a rather large stick to see some movement. Crippling the economy might be that stick. Unfortunately we all get to suffer their idiocracy.

As I've told people in the past, what you have to understand is that the First Amendment gives Americans wide latitude to mobilize in ways which don't code as mobilization. There's a nationwide protest scheduled for Saturday based on the premise that Trump is a tyrant and we the people won't let him do what he wants. But it's legal and common for people to say that; indeed, it's even legal to say (and I do say) that…

You don’t think the horses are not already out of the barn and long gone?

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by ahhhhnoooo »

longislandguido wrote: post #56
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #47

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Are you suggesting there is a government conspiracy to influence this dusty corner dive bar of the Internet?

Are there tech workers who don't know what HN is? It's a pretty reasonably sized social media site.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by 0x3f »

Ifkaluva wrote: post #28
0x3f wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that, but I suspect the admin will now just have an informal, not-written-down policy that does exactly the same thing.

No you don’t understand, they can’t accomplish the same by an informal policy. Both Google and Amazon are government contractors. With the designation, they might have had to divest their positions in Anthropic and be unable to serve their models. No informal rule accomplishes that.

I don't think that's true, as I stated elsewhere:

> I'm not sure that's how the supply chain risk thing works. AFAIK, it has to be part of the supply chain for the products delivered to the DoD to count. I don't think just because Amazon is unrelatedly involved with Anthropic, this forces them to sever that relationship. I'm not sure if Hegseth thinks otherwise, but it's entirely possible that he is wrong or that being wrong is expedient to his threats.

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