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End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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See you next year!

Is the snow melting? Do you hear birds? Must be chat control season.

Someone should sell calendars based on when this typically gets proposed as well as dates throughout the year when past instances of check control came up against key procedural hurdles.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Perfect name. Who in their right mind would ever vote against the Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse? Imagine if your voters heard that

Yep, and it will make it more difficult to pass legislation designed to actually help combat child exploitation when a large(ish) portion of the population immediately equate "for the children" with a power grab.

Unfortunately, that population immediately equates the two for good reason. Bills that are presented as "for the children" usually are a power grab.

Even more unfortunately, the issue is so emotional that we can't have a reasonable discussion on it. This limits the discussion to proposals that sound good to angry people. And the opposition to those who can get angry about something else. Which limits how much reason is applied on either side.

For example, look at the idea of a national sex offenders registry, like we have in the USA. The existence of such a registry is reasonable given that we're no more successful at stopping people from being pedophiles, than we are at stopping them from being homosexuals.

But the purpose of such a list is severely undermined when an estimated quarter of the list were themselves minors when they offended. The age at which people are most likely to land on the list is 14. But a man who liked 13 year olds when he was 14, is unlikely to reoffend at 30. What is the purpose of ruining the rest of his life for a juvenile mistake?

Such discussions simply can't be had.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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post #72

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Exactly. Its real name is “Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Control

Perfect name. Who in their right mind would ever vote against the Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse? Imagine if your voters heard that

What's perfect is the marketing campaign to call it by what it actually wanted to do, ie Chat Control. Whoever did this was so successful that we didn't even know the bill's official name, instead knowing it by what it actually wanted to achieve.

Good thing the EU didn't take a page out of the US' book, because things like the PATRIOT act are already pithy and hard to outmarket.

If RPCCSA were actually called PROTECT, the nickname "Chat Control" would have been fighting a losing battle.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Maybe it is time to make start a prediction market? Any time a scumbag politician tries this again: "Mr. Jones, secretary of communications for the state, TTL (Time-to-live) left. 2 Hours? 1 Day? 1 Week?" It would stop fast. Anyone want to build this? There is a lot of money being left on the table.

Wouldn't this have the opposite effect? Seems to play right into their hands that they need mass surveillance for "" safety"" reasons

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Ask your government why they're sending those representatives. As a citizen you vote for your government, right?

How badly would you say the council or commission have to mess things up before they saw any voter-initiated repercussions what so ever with a system of accountability that requires voters to consider punishing the council or comission more important than their own national elections? If accountability is to work, it has to be more than an abstract theoretical possibility.

It isn't abstract. Your government sends representatives to represent its platform and priorities. If you don't agree with the reps you need to elect a different government.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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The article you're commenting on is reporting how directly elected representatives defeated the motion. Why do you keep lying?

That's the parliament. What about the council and the commission? Am I not allowed to hold them accountable? Does my power as a citizen only extend to a fourth of the balance of power? They keep getting away with these attrition tactics with regards to implementing near Stasi levels communication surveillance. What about the day they're pushing to give the council unlimited powers, or to abolish voting rights, or to…

The parliament holds them accountable like it just did in the article you're comme nting on.

Again, why are you aggressively lying here? Why are you misrepresenting workings of EU despite them following every single democracy out there?

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