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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by windexh8er »

elevation wrote: post #740
superultra wrote: post #724

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Had Waffle House with some friends who mostly work in blue collar industries. One guy who works at a timber mill used Claude code to redo their ordering system. Took him about a month to go from knowing nothing about Claude Code to finishing the system. Basically just copied a proprietary software product that costs them upward $20k a year. They’re keeping that other product to cross check but so far the Claude coded…

> caveat emperor s/emperor/emptor I hope your friend's company spends $20K to harden the deployment of the new app so it doesn't become a deep liability.

Keep dreaming!

The best part is is that they'll get popped because of it and have zero clue. Anyone building in any frontier provider currently, but has little background in software, is creating all kinds of new liabilities that didn't exist before.

In a school district where I live the IT department developed a password distribution app using Gemini on Google App Script (they didn't even need this part), sent out links with B64 encoded JSON that included: student name, student email, parent email and student password. Yet, when I found it and told them all the ways that it was technically a breach in our state they ran to their 2-bit "cyber security experts" and "legal". They were far more concerned with CYA than understanding the hole they dug themselves. And all of the advice they got back was that it wasn't a breach. They claimed their DPA with Google protected them. I explained how email works and they just ignored me, likely because in our state they are bound by GDPA and won't ever engage in a legitimate conversation via email.

The kicker here is they pay for an IDP with built-in mechanisms for password resets (that was the reason for building this: to reset students passwords). One of their cyber security "experts" (a lone guy who has zero credentials from what I found) told them that password resets using the IDP was "not recommended". When pressed on that they were, again, silent.

LLMs are creating a huge mess for people now empowered to go well beyond their capabilities and understanding. It's a second coming of the golden age of shitty software that's riddled with even the most basic of security flaws.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Bombthecat »

k__ wrote: post #739
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money" Is it? I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective. Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck. GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and Wha…

Fake Support contact from companies is another use case. They send you in endless useless circles until you give up.

Saves the company a ton of money

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by mrguyorama »

otikik wrote: post #620
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #249

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I don't really disagree, but the proper way to think about it was that with Sora some of that ability democratized. Now it will be available only to the rich and powerful ( and nerdy ). Humanity may not need it per se, but removal of that option that does not automatically make it better; not if the removal is only for a portion of the population.

> democratized I really don't think that using that term is appropriate when there's a multi-billion American macro corporation involved in the activity in question.

HN loves to abuse the term to pretend it's somehow a good thing when one human being is in control of something.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Bombthecat »

alcasa wrote: post #746
k__ wrote: post #739

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"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money" Is it? I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective. Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck. GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and Wha…

I fear people will just get used to it. Nobody gets tailored clothing anyhmore and people don't question that we have standardized sizes that don't really fit anyone properly. People commonly buy standardized furniture and rarely get something to a specific for their room. If cheaper software (I mean thats mostly what it is) gets the job done, we will probably just keep doing that, even if that means we lose somethin…

Yeah, someone wrote: the future of apps, one user, me

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Bombthecat »

heavyset_go wrote: post #606
steveBK123 wrote: post #595

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Yes They are just pivoting to stuff that loses money more slowly but maybe has a path to profits eventually…

Some of these AI companies that promised AGI are going to find out that they're actually IDE plugin subscription companies

Nvidia CEO said we already have agi:)

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by rescbr »

lossyalgo wrote: post #695
hobofan wrote: post #628

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Frontier model developers don't make money, but inference providers do. For open weight models there is a healthy market of inference providers that operate profitably without VC backing.

Such as? Where do we find these open weight model providers? Why is hardly anyone talking about them or sharing links (here or elsewhere) if they are so wonderful and profitable?

Go to https://models.dev/ and you're going to see plenty of providers.

OpenRouter makes it easy to use them, just add credits to your account.

I thought this was common knowledge to anyone looking to use an inference API, but it seems it isn't. Well, even AWS is in this business with Bedrock.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by trgn »

Gigachad wrote: post #529
ionwake wrote: post #343

Man I find the HN crowd so cross and fickle sometimes. I think it’s just because when companies get bad rep it affects how people view the products? Im autistic and tend to focus on the tech SORA ( whatever that means) was one of the most astounding demos I’ve probably ever seen ( ChatGPT was more gradual ). The shock and awe of rendered AI video blew my mind. Yes months later everyone can do it and is bored by it an…

Sora was a bit like seeing a new weapon being demoed. No matter how much engineering went in to it. The overwhelming feeling was “this is bad for society and the consequences will be massive.” So far that’s been exactly it. Now AI generated videos are primarily used to scam, deceive, and ragebait.

already theyve made youtube unusable

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Bombthecat »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #638
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

I also prefer seeing a corporation like Google do it for two reasons: generative content might feed their cash cow also known as “YouTube” and Google already has a good base for coding assistants. Google owns, I think, 25% of Anthropic and earns money selling compute infrastructure to Anthropic. Personally I think Antigravity (with Claude and Gemini) and gemini-cli firmly keeps Google in the running as far as AI codi…

Claude runs now on Google tpus...

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by vel0city »

friendzis wrote: post #731
juped wrote: post #721

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No, you can do it on all the major providers for either no or low cost.

Disregarding the grandfathered free accounts, own domain is $7.20/user/month on gmail, €5/month on Proton. On microsoft that's business tier feature and AFAIK not supported at all on Yahoo.

Zoho Mail Lite is $1/user/mo when billed annually.

https://www.zoho.com/mail/zohomail-pricing.html

A few DNS hosting companies still bundle in a few free email mailboxes with registration costs but that is becoming more rare.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Bombthecat »

muskstinks wrote: post #743
Hendrikto wrote: post #591

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It never made sense and was always just burning resources that OpenAI does not have. It reeks so much of desperation. They know they are running out of goodwill and money at breakneck speed. They are just flailing and throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.

Everyone is doing image generation. Its realtivly easy and I would say it would be a people mover if openai wouldn't support this. So they need to be able to do image generation, for which they need image data. They also need to be able to analyze videos for more and better training data like learning or teaching there models from yt and other sources. So they have image generation, image dataset and video dataset. I…

Oh yeah. Openai didn't have a major image update in a while, no?
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