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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Hendrikto »

muskstinks wrote: post #556
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

For OpenAI that was and felt like some side husle they were playing around nothing more. Having Disney on their side was def quite a smart/interesting move. At least from one interview, they def had resource issues last year and teams had to fight for it. Can easily be that sora was always priortized down and they realized it doesn't make sense to spend that much capacity while then not being able to push their main…

It never made sense and was always just burning resources that OpenAI does not have.

It reeks so much of desperation. They know they are running out of goodwill and money at breakneck speed. They are just flailing and throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by willis936 »

qnpnpmqppnp wrote: post #590
willis936 wrote: post #80

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I feel like in several years we will look back at how we treated our most creative minds in disgust. This behavior will not be readily forgiven.

> This behavior will not be readily forgiven. This sounds like there would be some kind of revenge, but I struggle to imagine any kind of consequence. Did you have something in mind?

Not forgiving is not revenge. The world works on trust and cooperation. It seems like everyone with power has forgotten that.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Hendrikto »

piva00 wrote: post #569
sfn42 wrote: post #524

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I haven't followed him much as I really don't care, but the one clip I've seen of him that really stands out to me (I've seen more but this is the one I remember) is one where he's talking to some guy who doubts the LLMs genius, and Sam says something like "what if ChatGPT solved quantum gravity, would you be convinced then?" To me, this just came off as pathetic. It hasn't solved anything and there's no reason to be…

The most memorable clip I've seen of him was the Brad Gerstner's podcast one (an investor of OpenAI), Gerstner questioned Altman about the financials of OAI, how could it have committed to spend so much given the revenue, it's a decent question and it's been up in the air for a while across the media. Altman's reaction was very telling of the kind of person he is, just immediately lashing out at Gerstner in a childis…

> Gerstner questioned Altman about the financials of OAI

After glazing OpenAI and Sam personally for 45 minutes straight. But as soon as Sam was questioned in the slightest, he exploded.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by animuchan »

criley2 wrote: post #575
jaapz wrote: post #531

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> Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. The musician in me just shed a tear

Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. Hopefully AI outcompeting humans at slop sparks a renaissance of humans creating truly beautiful human artwork. And if it doesn't, then was anything of value truly lost?

So true. AI music gens like Suno can't do Paul Shapera works even remotely, but can recreate a lot of pop or EDM music very faithfully. There's just no distance to close, it's already mainstreamly bad.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by steveBK123 »

Hendrikto wrote: post #588
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

> where you can make money and have a really profitable business I am not convinced. Nobody is making money, every player is losing money hand over fist.

Yes They are just pivoting to stuff that loses money more slowly but maybe has a path to profits eventually…

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by sethops1 »

cpt_sobel wrote: post #547
platevoltage wrote: post #417

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The iPhone X's new feature where it approximated you facial expressions on a 3D character using the facial recognition sensors blew my mind as well. It was a party trick. I can't remember the last time I touched it. That's what SORA is, or was.

Are these the Memojis or whatever Apple calls them these days? Pretty much eveyry iOS update mentions them near the top of the list and I still have no idea where to find / create / care about them...

It's like when Apple announces hundreds of new emoji every update. Like great, those will look real nice next to the six emoji I ever actually use.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by neonstatic »

customguy wrote: post #580
laserlight wrote: post #573

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> gets the point across If people don't read because the text is an unreadable mess, none of the points get across.

I'm a a people. I read it. If you call this an unreadable mess I really don't know what to say. Language is awesome, and it's awesome we can create infinitely long sentences with it. And like open source, if you don't like it, write the one you like :) A long time ago on the myspace forums there was this slightly weird but also very wise and smart person who wrote without any punctuation or paragraphs, ever . Althoug…

While I don't agree with the other poster, that the comment was a mess, sentences were so long, that I had to focus not to lose the point. I think the top comment read a bit too much like stream of consciousness, which as a person I tolerate much more in spoken speech than written one. Still, I liked the comment, but agree it could have been improved.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by laserlight »

raincole wrote: post #589
laserlight wrote: post #573

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> gets the point across If people don't read because the text is an unreadable mess, none of the points get across.

It might be a surprise to you, but there are plenty of people who are willing to read one or two paragraphs of words.

I'm comfortable reading much more than two paragraphs, even in online forums. In this specific case, unreadability is because of poor sentence structure. I quit in the middle of the second sentence.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by otikik »

customguy wrote: post #580
laserlight wrote: post #573

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> gets the point across If people don't read because the text is an unreadable mess, none of the points get across.

I'm a a people. I read it. If you call this an unreadable mess I really don't know what to say. Language is awesome, and it's awesome we can create infinitely long sentences with it. And like open source, if you don't like it, write the one you like :) A long time ago on the myspace forums there was this slightly weird but also very wise and smart person who wrote without any punctuation or paragraphs, ever . Althoug…

I'm also a people but I stopped reading after the first paragraph.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by animuchan »

mlrtime wrote: post #582
muzani wrote: post #511

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They're different impulses. Some want to consume. Others want to create. TikTok and social media is a strange mix of both, people posting response videos to everything. Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. It's free, it's good enough, and it's not grating to hear after a few days of that favorite…

How do you get Suno songs for free? You listen to others or make your own?

Almost nobody listens to others' songs on Suno, that's the entire point.

You wouldn't care to order the food as I personally like it -- might be too spicy (or too bland) for your taste.

Suno songs are overtuned for personal preference in the same way.

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