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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by Trekkie101-B »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #68

Any age verification should come with an OAUTH style government run API. The idea being you verify your ID with the government, and the service that required age verification gets back a true or false for does this user meet this age requirement. That way the amount of data shared is kept to a minimum. The UK, and Brazil who passed a similar law, 'cheated' by just forcing private companies to figure it out.

UK Gov sometimes likes to do things in very awkward ways, against any sort of worldly grain established. See the covid app.

However my Apple ID verified me based on my account age, I didn't need to provide anything.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by abirch »

AdamN wrote: post #64
Pay08 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I struggle to believe that Liquid Glass was one person's fault.

It was probably a cascade of people but the question is whether we all realize Apple was right or if they just implemented it wrong or if it will just take a year or two to get things dialed in (but still prepared for an AR/VR world) and then we forget it ever happened.

Most people have forgotten Antennagate or the iPhone 4 fiasco. You're probably correct that people won't remember this in 2028

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by iLoveOncall »

I'm in the same boat, but only because of the age verification thing.

I was never an Apple maximalist to begin with, I just have an iPhone and use a Mac at work because I have to (and will continue to), but I just turned off auto-updates on my iPhone and will never buy a new Apple device.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by techterrier »

lynndotpy wrote: post #6

The space allocated for "Apple has lost their way" has been maxed out for decades, so it bears stressing that this time is different. This Liquid Glass debacle has disillusioned everyone from hardcore Apple fans to normal people who otherwise don't follow tech. Once the dust settles, this will be a case study for decades to come. Apple threw their hard-won reputational gains off a cliff for _nothing_.

I've heard this every UI update for the past 20 years.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by dandellion »

Pay08 wrote: post #33
lynndotpy wrote: post #6

The space allocated for "Apple has lost their way" has been maxed out for decades, so it bears stressing that this time is different. This Liquid Glass debacle has disillusioned everyone from hardcore Apple fans to normal people who otherwise don't follow tech. Once the dust settles, this will be a case study for decades to come. Apple threw their hard-won reputational gains off a cliff for _nothing_.

You're far overstating the effect it has had.

Are you from the future? Because on the current timeline it's much too early to tell if it's overstated or understated.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by hedora »

pfraze wrote: post #69
dgxyz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realise I am free to modify it or pick a distribution so that isn't the case too?

How long till that’s illegal? This situation is being treated like a bad business decision. It’s not. It’s a new set of laws. It’s bigger than just Apple.

It's not really bigger than Apple. They could just say "no", and the UK could just go offline until they fixed their laws.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by lynndotpy »

joshgachnang wrote: post #52
lynndotpy wrote: post #6

The space allocated for "Apple has lost their way" has been maxed out for decades, so it bears stressing that this time is different. This Liquid Glass debacle has disillusioned everyone from hardcore Apple fans to normal people who otherwise don't follow tech. Once the dust settles, this will be a case study for decades to come. Apple threw their hard-won reputational gains off a cliff for _nothing_.

My non-techie friends either barely notice Liquid Glass or go "ooo this is nice!". It has annoyed me on occasion, but I barely notice it any more. Much ado about nothing.

My personal experiences are the opposite of this. I have people in my life who are gen Z, millenials, and gen X who are befuddled by it.

We also have data to show people dislike this. Google Trends shows the largest spikes ever for "how to switch to android", "iphone revert update", "iphone fix battery", and "iphone slow", all only after the release of Liquid Glass (and particularly the increased tactics to get people to update starting in September).

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by dijit »

pixelpoet wrote: post #41
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

> Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now Are you sure you're not apologising for Apple?

Would you be surprised that your sports car uses a lot of fuel and get mad about it? It was sort of the deal when you bought it.

Apple isn't shy about its gatekeepy behaviour, and some people believe that it's why Apples ecosystem is subjectively nicer than the Microsoft one.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by InUrNetz »

lynndotpy wrote: post #6

The space allocated for "Apple has lost their way" has been maxed out for decades, so it bears stressing that this time is different. This Liquid Glass debacle has disillusioned everyone from hardcore Apple fans to normal people who otherwise don't follow tech. Once the dust settles, this will be a case study for decades to come. Apple threw their hard-won reputational gains off a cliff for _nothing_.

Apple has gone from 68k to ppc to intel to arm. The look of their desktop has changed so much over the years that showing a screen shot instantly tells you roughly the date it was taken. A graphical change at this point isn't moving the needle significantly.

The reality is that Windows 11 continues to get worse. I was an embedded Linux dev for 15 years, and even I don't really want Linux on my desktop. Apple has better build quality, long support periods, simplified updates, and for the most part just works. My personal computer is just an appliance and a means to an ends, Apple still is the best of many bad choices.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by aenis »

AdamN wrote: post #64
Pay08 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I struggle to believe that Liquid Glass was one person's fault.

It was probably a cascade of people but the question is whether we all realize Apple was right or if they just implemented it wrong or if it will just take a year or two to get things dialed in (but still prepared for an AR/VR world) and then we forget it ever happened.

It's a leadership failure. They obviously have a UI/UX dept. Those people want to be considered productive. Hence, they need to force a major redesign every now and then. Without a Steve Jobs like leader, those things will happen due to fundamental laws of corporate bureaucracy.
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