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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by saulapremium »

ericmay wrote: post #535
KaiserPro wrote: post #527

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> while ignoring other incredibly important products and services that you can’t or are unwilling to boycott. Its about operational risk. right now AWS is a key dependency, if that get turns off, we're fucked. we have mixed estate of end user devices, so its hard to turn them all off at once.

You're indulging in catastrophe fantasy. If AWS gets "turned off" (the implication being the US is doing some big mean thing against all of Europe) for European countries then something absolutely catastrophic has happened and you're going to be hoping you have heat, electricity, food, and water. If AWS gets "turned off" your MacBook Pro isn't going to work anymore because obviously the US will just whoops turn that…

>You're indulging in catastrophe fantasy.

Nobody would have agreed more with you than me, two years ago. But with Trump, the only thing that is completely clear is that nothing can be safely assumed about the US any longer. The explosion of corruption and corrosion of the legal system screams "liability". Hopefully his power will soon diminish but the damage that has been done, especially to trust, is going to last a lot longer.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by squibonpig »

Teever wrote: post #556
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #439

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I'm sorry, this is just Republican apologetics. This is about a single party. How in the world could you possibly suggest otherwise? I'd love to hear how Biden, Obama, or Clinton got us into forever wars. Or how they threatened allies. Or how they destroyed our trade or deal-making reputation. Where are the Democrat newscasters saying we should invade Canada? The figure heads calling for internment camps? Are we all…

It's difficult to reply to a comment like this because the existence of it disproves what it is arguing for. I wish this was just a Republican thing, or that people abroad perceived it as such but the reality is that people around the world no longer care about this Democrat - Republican split. No one outside of America cares a Republican party started this shit. They care that this shit was started at all, because i…

Israel's actions horrify me, but I still disagree when people totalize Israelis. They assume the entire citizenry signs on to the atrocities, easy to do but it's bullshit. It's not good when random Israelis get hit by an Iranian missile, same when a US soldier gets hit, or when an Iranian one does, or an Iranian civilian, or an IDF soldier, and so on. Totalization is always a lie. If the world wants to blame me for some crazies I despise making the world worse then that's what it is, but it's just another case of the world being stupid. No better than when those crazies in my own country totalize Iranians to justify their own bloodlust.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by saulapremium »

ericmay wrote: post #283
Eupolemos wrote: post #69

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What power? Economic power (US will no longer be the world reserve currency). The power of allies (see Trump begging for help in Hormuz). All the soft power it ever had.

> Economic power (US will no longer be the world reserve currency). As a reminder, reserve currencies are just currencies that are held in large amounts by national banks and other important institutions. The USD, like the Euro, Yen, Pound, and others are all reserve currencies. The USD is the dominant currency, in part because the US is in the Middle East right now doing exactly what it is doing by using the militar…

>If 4 years of Trump being mean was all it took to erase all soft power the US ever had, then it never had it in the first place and it wasn't worth caring about

That's a weird statement. Like all it was were some empty words. The current system, which you don't think is worth caring about, has been exceptionally good for the US. The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. Do you think this is simply because Americans are superior human beings?

Also,

>See Europe begging for help in Ukraine

..what, exactly, are you trying to say here? Other than yes, the US does in fact seem to be siding with Putin in spite of a few attempts at acting neutral.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by squibonpig »

bko wrote: post #264
lynndotpy wrote: post #220

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I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

What does post-USA world mean? Who is the leader in culture, business, technology? The only other contender I can think of is China. And this is better?

I figure china would be pretty similar for the rest of the world honestly.

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Post by squibonpig »

mattmaroon wrote: post #254
lynndotpy wrote: post #220

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I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

I feel like it's ruining HN. The internet did not lack places to talk politics. The comments threads are a solid 20% anti-semitic dog whistles now.

Could you give an example maybe?

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Post by pseudohadamard »

adev_ wrote: post #358
vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

> I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world There is very good reasons why De Gaulle was always a bit doubtful about American military protection and why post-war France put a strong emphasis on military sovereignty. That has nothing to do with any French stubbornness or a so called French anti-American feeling. The main reason is that De Gaulle experienced the fact A…

It was even more than that. In the late 1930s the US told France not to worry about those aggressive Germans next door, if things go pear-shaped we'll stand by you, you can rely on us to help defend you.

This is why France went with its own nuclear deterrent, among other things.

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Post by pseudohadamard »

vrganj wrote: post #293
ekianjo wrote: post #270

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> Thank God for the French France has nowhere the military power to resist a country like the US. They have not invested in the military for a very long time and most of their equipment is completely outdated.

France has completely sovereign nukes and the only first-strike nuclear doctrine in the world. It has the military power to resist any country.

Yup. No other country had an official Force de Frappe.

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Post by terminalshort »

vrganj wrote: post #525
terminalshort wrote: post #519

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They have the power to enforce laws

So do the mall cop and the ICC. Why does this arbitrary level in-between matter?

The mall cop much more so than the ICC

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

closewith wrote: post #546
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Which part of 'and not a shot would be fired' is so hard to understand. There are so many ways to tell another party that maybe they should tend their own house for a bit.

Are you talking about economic warfare? Too many EU nations are completely dependent on the US economically and it only takes one veto. The reality would be lots of denunciations, some token measures, followed by Business As Usual. Ireland, Poland, Germany, Spain aren't sacrificing their entire economies for Greenland.

Speaking as an Irish citizen id be ok with messing up the US at the cost of our economy. I think that you underestimate the resolve of Europeans on this.

It's profoundly depressing, but such is the world we live in now.

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Post by philipallstar »

mcv wrote: post #263
philipallstar wrote: post #77

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They don't because the west banned slavery on moral grounds, and enforced it on the rest of the world. That advance is actually just western power in effect.

That ban on slavery is not being enforced on the rest of the world. The west had no problem playing football in Qatar in stadiums built by slave labour.

Well, not any more! This was hundreds of years ago. The British Empire isn't exactly around any more.
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