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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by bell-cot »

easytiger wrote: post #106
jacquesm wrote: post #20

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Trust me, Denmark wasn't posturing. The assumption was - and still is - that the USA wasn't posturing either. We (and I realize I obviously don't speak for all of Europe but I have my finger on the pulse in many places here) are also not assuming that when Trump is gone the USA will go back to normal.

This is absurd in the extreme. In actual war there is absolutely no possibility of success for Denmark, even with the help of allies. Failure to capitulate results in nothing but death and destruction with no hope of strategic gain to begin with. What you are likely experiencing is a modern belief that screaming and shouting will bring popular diplomatic pressure to bear on the opponent, thus arresting their actions.…

> In an actual war there is absolutely no possibility of success for Denmark, even with the help of allies.

Assume that Denmark's strategic success criteria is not "win up-front battles with US armed forces". And that they understand the difference between "lost battle(s), got occupied" and "nation permanently removed from existence".

Also, US service members are not slavishly loyal Clone Troopers. That I've heard, the greatest fear of most senior American officers is that the CIC will issue orders sufficiently offensive to the lower ranks that they will be disobeyed at scale.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by cindyllm »

jjtwixman wrote: post #88
butILoveLife wrote: post #60

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OK but this is just an argument in favour of forever wars lol. That's realism I guess in the way that Nazi Lebensraum was also realism. > how quick Europe and Canada turned on the US It's YOU that turned on YOUR allies. YOU threatened to invade YOUR allies. Jesus fucking Christ. You are living in a different universe entirely. I agree that countries apparently can "turn on a dime" as you say, but it's not us that's "…

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by srean »

benterix wrote: post #329
lores wrote: post #137

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To be fair, the US has never been peaceful, and it's the country that started the most wars since WW2. It's just that it used to be in our team, and human nature makes the aggressiveness of our team justified, or at least understandable, or at least ignorable, or at least not quite changing our deep feelings.

And, at least regarding the more recent ones in Iraq and Afghanistan, Europe witnessed the largest anti-war protests in history. From that perspective, the current "emperor is naked" development might be positive in the sense that Europe can relatively soon have enough military power to be taken seriously, and at the same time become impossible to drag into an offensive war because none of its countries wants any war…

I really wish hard that Europe gets it shit together.

They are adults now (rare commodity), but can still be pushed around, have their leash yanked.

They have to come to terms with their islands of racist tendencies.

My hope hasn't died yet

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by aprentic »

jacquesm wrote: post #290
aprentic wrote: post #284

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And he's just making a grill scrubber. I just ordered a bunch of drone parts. The majority of those part were only available from China.

If you want: motors, ESCs, flight controllers and radios those can be sourced from outside of China, and competitively priced too (if you're in Europe, outside you'd still have to add taxes).

The thread is about manufacturing in the US so tariffs do have to be factored in.

On those specific parts:

Motors: T-Motor F90 1300KV - $119.60(incl shipping) + Tariff

ESC: Holybro Tekko32 F4 50A - $88.97(incl shipping) + Tariff

FC: Matek H743-SLIM V4 - £88.12(incl shipping + VAT) + Tariff

Radio: Radiomaster M2 $95.99(incl shipping + sales tax)

The FC was from a UK store but it originated in China. I already had the radio so I don't have current prices on it.

I'd love to find a list of vendors that have comparable parts, in stock, and without being insane multiples of those prices.

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by simonsarris »

Where was this kind of movement when Russia invaded Europe in 2022?

I think Europe's inaction in 2022 will go down as the greatest moral failing of the century. You can't say "they didn't act because Russia is a nuclear power" - the same is true here.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by oblio »

keybored wrote: post #269
JeremyNT wrote: post #218

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The US was historically self-interested in empire building, with an excellent PR campaign in front of it, but... it also did useful and good stuff, both for its allies and for unrelated parties. USAID was a testament to this. PR spin aside, it was largely a force for global stability (a few notable and disastrous military quagmires aside). "Free trade" isn't much of a philosophy to hang your hat on but it is an ideal…

> PR spin aside, Then the comment repeats the same PR spin.

The thing is, look at all major military alliances in history.

How many of them have a wealthy hegemon and wealthy minor partners?

It's > rare for that to happen and the US managed that for about 80 years.

Ignore all the propaganda and look at the results. Actions, not words.

In the modern era there are basically 0 wealthy Russian (similar story for the Soviets) or Chinese allies.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Vaslo »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

As an American, can’t say I’m too worried about Canadian opinion of us, let alone Denmark. Most Americans don’t know the name of a single politician in Denmark.

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Post by adev_ »

vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

> I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world

There is very good reasons why De Gaulle was always a bit doubtful about American military protection and why post-war France put a strong emphasis on military sovereignty.

That has nothing to do with any French stubbornness or a so called French anti-American feeling.

The main reason is that De Gaulle experienced the fact American leadership can be untrustworthy first hand.

When he was the leader of the exiled French force during the 40s, Churchill supported him.

Meaningwhile Roosevelt refused to give him any support and actively acted to make him replaced by a puppet, General Giraud. Mainly because it was better aligned with American interests to setup a puppet state in France on the longer term.

The situation changed only later when it became pretty obvious that Giraud was antisemite, an openly nazi collaborationist and a pretty poor politician.

Only then, America started to support De Gaulle officially. Initially only indirectly through the relation between De Gaulle and Eisenhower.

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Post by srean »

iso1631 wrote: post #245
srean wrote: post #170

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Nuremberg style judicial proceedings. Not necessarily with similar judicial executions. Fair trials and fair and exemplary punitive measures would be enough for me. I lost respect when Obama let Bush Jr administration off the hook. It essentially set the tone that it is ok to behave like that, that there would be no consequences.

Bush wasn't great with Iraq, but it was hardly the first bad foreign policy move the US has made, and Obama wasn't squeaky clean. Jan 6th 2021 was the turning point.

Abu Ghraib, and deliberate violent destruction of a nation is a deeper offence than being "not great".

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Post by swed420 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #234
lynndotpy wrote: post #220

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I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

> I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. They were being discussed a year ago, too, they just got flagged. Make sure to check /active

Corey Doctorow's speech was noteworthy. For anyone who missed it:

The Post-American Internet

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46509019

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