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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

> So much soft power has been lost.

The worst part to me feels like US has lost trust and such soft power loss is irrecoverable no matter what happens now :/

A common statement I hear from people, or maybe its just what I think, but its like "How can we trust US after this" and hey mind you, Trump still has 3 years in office, but even if political parties change, how can we trust the whole system for not having another Trump moment.

So this loss of soft power is quite a permanent loss. US has to now condition itself to live with it accordingly and live with some shame (which is something that I am observing too of people not being proud of being american anymore seeing the devastation caused by it)

Countries across the world will have to treat US as unpredictable from now on and treat its financial markets in the same way as well.

The worst part out of all of this is that it hurts the average day american the most not the people at the top who are doing all of this and the average person has no say in all of this seeing their country being destroyed by wreckless actions.

The sad part is that people did have many wake up calls to be honest, greenland was first joked about and then became so serious that denmark was preparing only to then move to iran now impacting the normal people's everyday life with oil price increases all across the world..

I do think that the people of US tried to stand up against the oppression by protests but some were shot (rest in peace) and others were detained.

The sad part is that the people tried their best but it still wasn't enough to stop all of this from happening. It was maybe too late after the election.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by enoint »

ericmay wrote: post #18
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't matter. It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that. It is about gross miscalculation of consequences. Attack Greenland ->attack Denmark, attack Denmark -> Attack the EU. So you don't attack Greenland. Because that would be wrong. Unless all that stuff about shining cities on hills was nonsense. Instead of making America gre…

The US wouldn’t even need to “attack” Greenland. What is there to even attack? 50 Danish soldiers? They could just say “that’s ours”, ignore whatever Europe says, and start doing whatever they wanted to do and instead force the EU to attack American forces or civilian business interests. I’m not suggesting this is a good idea or anything but there’s a ton of other ways that something like this could play out which in…

It wasn’t even about Greenland, but a distraction from the extent of Trump’s knowledge of Epstein.

Anyway, there’s actually an index for soft power. Eliminating USAID halved that index. China built the highways, hospitals and water treatment instead.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by [deleted] »

butILoveLife wrote: post #44
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

jazz9k wrote: post #32
empath75 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

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False equivalence.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by dukeyukey »

butILoveLife wrote: post #44
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

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Surely there's a massive overlap, in that a country that has been trustworthy in the past derives a certain level of power from that? Like, Trump randomly declaring tariffs means a deal is not worth making, which erodes American economic power as countries find other suppliers and customers.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by thibran »

nxm wrote: post #41
matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

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You forget that you got a say for that money in a lot of parts of the world, which is one of the primary reasons the US is so wealthy.

Europe took the deal that the US "handels the war stuff in the world" for some influence.

If we handle the "war stuff", the US influence will be gone in Europe.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ivan_gammel »

nxm wrote: post #31
empath75 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

There’s probably a huge case for corruption. And of course he can be declared national threat and foreign agent. I mean, just look what Putin does within his constitutional limits. When there’s choice between the bad (block Trump and allies) and the worse (his ideas stay alive even if he is no longer in business), you have to choose something and then reflect not on what you just did, but how did you get there in the first place. Legal matters are secondary, as long as majority is convinced that justice is served.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by deaux »

butILoveLife wrote: post #44
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

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If reputation with the masses was completely irrelevant, the likes of Saudi Arabia wouldn't throw dozens of billions at trying to improve it. Neither would there be any use in Hasbara outside of lobbying.

Soft power is still power. It might not be as good as hard power, but you sure would rather have it than not.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Eupolemos »

ericmay wrote: post #18
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't matter. It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that. It is about gross miscalculation of consequences. Attack Greenland ->attack Denmark, attack Denmark -> Attack the EU. So you don't attack Greenland. Because that would be wrong. Unless all that stuff about shining cities on hills was nonsense. Instead of making America gre…

The US wouldn’t even need to “attack” Greenland. What is there to even attack? 50 Danish soldiers? They could just say “that’s ours”, ignore whatever Europe says, and start doing whatever they wanted to do and instead force the EU to attack American forces or civilian business interests. I’m not suggesting this is a good idea or anything but there’s a ton of other ways that something like this could play out which in…

What power?

Economic power (US will no longer be the world reserve currency).

The power of allies (see Trump begging for help in Hormuz).

All the soft power it ever had.

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