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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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The US president wanted to start a full on war with Europe over Greenland of all places. And he still might. And some people will still claim I just have "TDS".

TDS is an apt description for anyone supporting this senile, psychopath.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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That doesn't matter. It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that. It is about gross miscalculation of consequences. Attack Greenland ->attack Denmark, attack Denmark -> Attack the EU. So you don't attack Greenland. Because that would be wrong. Unless all that stuff about shining cities on hills was nonsense. Instead of making America gre…

The US wouldn’t even need to “attack” Greenland. What is there to even attack? 50 Danish soldiers? They could just say “that’s ours”, ignore whatever Europe says, and start doing whatever they wanted to do and instead force the EU to attack American forces or civilian business interests. I’m not suggesting this is a good idea or anything but there’s a ton of other ways that something like this could play out which in…

> What power has the US ceded?

Seriously?

You live in a multi-polar world, there are three major power blocks and Europe isn't one of them, though that may change now (we're sick of war, but we're also sick of the threat of war, which one of the two will win out is up for grabs). There is - or rather, was, by now - Russia, China and the USA. Russia is unacceptable for many reasons, China is too clever for its own good in the longer term and the United States was historically our ally.

The United States has thrown away 80 years or so of very carefully and very expensively built up soft power because someone didn't understand the concept (apparently just like you). That doesn't translate into ownership and it doesn't in any way give you control but it ensures that things will, at least most of the times, go your way because of momentum and because it makes sense by default. Just like you may disagree on some stuff with your friends but you're not going to rob their homes, just because you can (and maybe just because they gave you the key to the back door).

You throw that away at your peril and because Russia is in no way capable of capitalizing on that the Chinese are. I wouldn't be surprised at all if in a decade or two the US$ is no longer the reserve currency. It could happen a lot faster than that. The US economy is teetering on the edge of the abyss and if you think that your ability to project power isn't diminished then maybe by the end of the Iran war you'll get it.

The US maximized its post-war power on the 10th of September 2001. Since then it has gone down hill very steadily and the fall rapidly accelerated with Trump. I see no reason to believe this will change, all institutions that were supposed to provide checks and balances have failed. And all China has to do is to look sane in comparison, that's not super hard.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

#45

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

> Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time

Because US administration is compromised. Putin says jump, Krasnov asks how high.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

#46

The US president wanted to start a full on war with Europe over Greenland of all places. And he still might. And some people will still claim I just have "TDS".

TDS is an apt description for anyone supporting this senile, psychopath.

Yes. The only TDS is the one exhibited by those that are so brainwashed by his cult of personality.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

#47

That is a very reasonable response to the threats they faced.

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Nah mate,

Rich powerful countries could also keep slaves and no one would be able to stop it by force.

But they don't. Civilisation advances.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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That is a very reasonable response to the threats they faced.

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Yes really, firstly it worked, and secondly it forced Americans to reckon with murdering and betraying their friends across the Atlantic. You can take Greenland, but you must live with the infamy and treachery of it all. And Trump blinked.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

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This is very reductive. European countries pay a lot into their defense, especially the last few years. It's not as black&white as a certain person likes to claim.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

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