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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by donkeybeer »

keiferski wrote: post #336
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #317

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I do agree with some of your points and I believe some aspects of it might be right but there is a big difference between the past and present because this time, its America attacking EU sovereignity/other countries and so many things all at once literally within less than a year. Just count all the things that america did in the last year and try to imagine as a foreigner or foreign nation once as an exercise. All o…

I mean I definitely agree that a lot of trust has been lost, and that a lot of work will be needed to patch things up. Where I don't agree is that 1) this is somehow irreversible 2) that it really affects American citizens on the personal level – from personal experience, as an American living in Europe for the last decade, I've had basically zero negative interactions with people or hostile accusations. Most people…

America will be begun to be trusted only once the last MAGA dies, not once before that. So at least a generation.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by bdangubic »

terminalshort wrote: post #520
bdangubic wrote: post #489

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> US began ignoring the constitutional provision First, not US but Presidency and second, breaking Constitution is not very legal last time I checked but I could be wrong... /s

Yes, the US and not just the presidency. If it was just the presidency then he would have been impeached by congress for usurping their constitutional authority.

he was impeached (more than once cause he's a special kind of guy) and will be impeached again in 2029 :)

again, you are saying something is legal that is both clearly illegal and unconstitutional. you can say "it is illegal but we have no way to enforce since our congress and senate do not work for the people but are simple extension of a given political party in power" but you can't say that it is legal

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by johanyc »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #366
keiferski wrote: post #336

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I mean I definitely agree that a lot of trust has been lost, and that a lot of work will be needed to patch things up. Where I don't agree is that 1) this is somehow irreversible 2) that it really affects American citizens on the personal level – from personal experience, as an American living in Europe for the last decade, I've had basically zero negative interactions with people or hostile accusations. Most people…

I agree with you too but > from personal experience, as an American living in Europe for the last decade, I've had basically zero negative interactions with people or hostile accusations. Most people do understand that the American government is a bit out of control, and American culture is in a tumultuous period. If anything I'd say it tends more toward sympathy than anger Imagining that America attacked Greenland T…

On a more fundamental level, I think something is wrong with the American education system and results in so many low information voters who believe any words from their "hero". And fixing education takes decades to even see the result.

They definitely can vote for another Trump-like guy and they have proven it by voting Trump back the second time. Honestly this is crazy to me this can even happen after Jan 6. The Brazilian Trump-like President went to jail, yet Trump returns to the White House. My take is this trust issue takes at least 10 years to recover, most likely more.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by closewith »

jacquesm wrote: post #405
closewith wrote: post #378

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I did, but it simply wouldn't have happened. Whatever about boots on the ground and ships deployed, they would not have fired a shot. There is zero appetite for war with the US.

Europe can wreck the US in 15 minutes and not a shot would be fired. That would have massive effect on the EU too and that's one of the things holding that back. But if the US would invade Canada or Denmark I'm fairly sure that they would not hesitate, especially not if half the USA would be on their side in the decision.

Europe is not a megalith, there is no central authority to make any kind of decision, and no Government in the bloc has a mandate to destroy it's citizens quality of life and economy by engaging in armed conflict with the US.

This includes Denmark, who would not have fought the US, as much as they tried to put on a show.

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Post by vrganj »

terminalshort wrote: post #519
vrganj wrote: post #501

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Why only these local institutions? What makes those special?

They have the power to enforce laws

So do the mall cop and the ICC. Why does this arbitrary level in-between matter?

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #74
nxm wrote: post #31

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Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

Open bribery and corruption (both the direct pay-for-play and the indirect via insider information), openly violating the law and ignoring the courts, betrayal of public trust, mishandling of confidential information, war crimes, take your pick of the many different choices. And the asset seizure would be for the proceeds of all the open bribery, at the very least.

Trump has immunity for anything that is an 'official act', thanks to the SCOTUS ruling.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by KaiserPro »

ericmay wrote: post #262
KaiserPro wrote: post #118

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> What power has the US ceded? Before this, we (large multinational infra company) were happily using AWS, microsoft and a bunch of other US based companies. Now we are beginning the migration away, not because its cheaper or better, but because we just don't think that we can trust the contracts we have with them any more. This isn't a sudden thing, we are not going to do it over night. But we are not renewing multi…

It’s interesting how these conversations always start and end with “my company isn’t buying XYZ American cloud provider services” while ignoring other incredibly important products and services that you can’t or are unwilling to boycott. Are you turning in your MacBook Pro and iPhone, or are you putting a bumper sticker on it saying you bought it before you knew America was crazy? Similarly, while it's great to take…

> while ignoring other incredibly important products and services that you can’t or are unwilling to boycott.

Its about operational risk.

right now AWS is a key dependency, if that get turns off, we're fucked. we have mixed estate of end user devices, so its hard to turn them all off at once.

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Post by closewith »

jacquesm wrote: post #391
mcv wrote: post #327

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Much of their support has also come from the EU, and the EU has a lot more than that. The EU has more fighters and ships, more tanks, more soldiers. It is true that the EU didn't and still doesn't have deep ammo reserves, though. But it has far more capacity to ramp up production of these than Russia has; the Russian economy is about the size of that of the Benelux.

> It is true that the EU didn't and still doesn't have deep ammo reserves, though Indeed it is true. But it is also changing, the stockpiles are growing.

Is it true? Most analyses show EU stockpiles overall still falling, especially for precision weapons.

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Post by closewith »

mcv wrote: post #404
jacquesm wrote: post #391

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> It is true that the EU didn't and still doesn't have deep ammo reserves, though Indeed it is true. But it is also changing, the stockpiles are growing.

Absolutely. The EU is now finally but rapidly adapting to these geopolitical changes. Defense budgets are now far higher than the 2% that used to be the goal that nobody met. In the 1990s everybody was eager to believe that war was finally and forever over. Some held on to that delusion for a bit too long, but not anymore.

That's not true. Even including military aid to Ukraine, EU average defence spending remains at 1.9%.

It's also the most expensive region in the world to raise a military.

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Post by mcv »

jacquesm wrote: post #450
mcv wrote: post #404

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Absolutely. The EU is now finally but rapidly adapting to these geopolitical changes. Defense budgets are now far higher than the 2% that used to be the goal that nobody met. In the 1990s everybody was eager to believe that war was finally and forever over. Some held on to that delusion for a bit too long, but not anymore.

Merkel has a lot to answer for. Handel durch wandel... pull the other one. After Grozny there should have been absolutely no doubt.

Eastern European countries warned us, but western Europe, Germany in particular, but other western European countries too, assumed Russia was now a normal country we could just trade with. Under Yeltsin we might have been heading in that direction, but Chechnya should have been a warning. Putin's comment about "countries that don't matter" was a warning. Russia taking chunks out of Georgia should have been the alarm. We continued trading even after he took Crimea and Donbas. We have been way too naive.
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