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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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So if you and I agree laws don't matter, we can go rob a bank together and it's all good?

If you and I, the president, congress, and the judiciary agree, then yes, and that's kind of the situation regarding the laws around starting a war.

Why only these local institutions? What makes those special?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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France has the only first strike nuclear doctrine in the world, with the specific policy of shooting nukes to "protect it's vital interests" , a term Macron has recently clarified "has a European dimension". Make of that what you will, but if I were you I wouldn't go around poking the hornets nest that has an explicit sign "these hornets will sting" attached to it.

How is Greenland a vital interest to France? Especially in the context of initiating a nuclear war with a friendly nation?

Europe is of vital interest to France, as is not letting American imperialists touch it.

A nation that invades us is not friendly.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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The F-35 is mentioned in the article as being readied for the defense of Greenland. I wonder what the 'easter-eggs' Danes would've found out about it if they went up against the US. (I think I know, it has to do with how its 'stealth' works.)

Well if that were to happen, that would be the end of a lot of defense business that the US does with many countries around the world.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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They are for me.

This whole thread is in response to an attempt to someone trying to source parts to manufacture something in the US. If "for me" is limited to some rich guy in the Netherlands, that doesn't solve the problem "for anyone else."

Well, we could counter that and say that the whole thread here is exactly about how the US is losing its soft power position and the import situation you are facing is an integral part of that.

And 'some rich guy in the Netherlands' is a nice target for you but I know plenty of people that are in other parts of Europe that seem to have no problem ordering from both of these. You asked for alternatives, you got them. You could have just left it at that but you feel the need to explain why those alternatives are not the alternatives you wanted. What did you expect? A 1-900 number and someone taking your credit card?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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> In an actual war there is absolutely no possibility of success for Denmark, even with the help of allies. Assume that Denmark's strategic success criteria is not "win up-front battles with US armed forces". And that they understand the difference between "lost battle(s), got occupied" and "nation permanently removed from existence". Also, US service members are not slavishly loyal Clone Troopers. That I've heard, t…

So your supposition is strategic national defense game theory should be based on hoping for a mutiny from the opposite side? Is rationality dead? What are you lot talking about.

> So your supposition is...

No. But Denmark lacks the armored divisions, bomber wings, carrier task forces, etc. to pursue a "we've got a bigger stick" strategy. And undermining your opponent's will to fight was routine back when the Old Testament was written.

> Is rationality dead?

By a couple accounts I've heard, desperate senior US officers used the pre-February situation with Iran to lure Trump's attention away from Denmark/Greenland.

(If you want rational behavior from the current POTUS - um, yes, my deepest condolences, but...)

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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> Motor-g doesn't seem to ship outside of Ukraine. They absolutely do. > Arctus asks you to contact them just for product info. You can order as much as you want from them, the price is right and the quality is extremely high. Indeed, they're not on AliExpress, but that's roughly the difference between being a producer in Europe and in China, and that is precisely the difference that you should be happy with.

Can you show me? Is this some privileged access that you get as an investor? Its easy to verify that Motor-g does not ship outside of Ukraine. I just put 4 of their motors in a shopping cart and tried to check out. The drop down menu for destination country has a single option, Ukraine. Arctus does not list a single price on their website. That's also easy to verify. Every single product on their website only says, "…

I have both their products quite literally on my desk in front of me.

All I did was mail the manufacturer, asked for a quote, got a mail in return, they sent an invoice, I paid the invoice and they sent me the goods. Just like I would expect.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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That doesn't matter. It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that. It is about gross miscalculation of consequences. Attack Greenland ->attack Denmark, attack Denmark -> Attack the EU. So you don't attack Greenland. Because that would be wrong. Unless all that stuff about shining cities on hills was nonsense. Instead of making America gre…

From military consequences pov, EU isn't a military alliance but it would of course also be attacking NATO.

The EU absolutely is a military alliance as well.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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I think there is a pretty good chance US is in the late empire phase. This is not about a single President or party, or even single geopolitical event/development.

I'm sorry, this is just Republican apologetics. This is about a single party. How in the world could you possibly suggest otherwise? I'd love to hear how Biden, Obama, or Clinton got us into forever wars. Or how they threatened allies. Or how they destroyed our trade or deal-making reputation. Where are the Democrat newscasters saying we should invade Canada? The figure heads calling for internment camps? Are we all…

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

Geopolitical moves like illegally invading a country aren’t necessarily planned to be the one grand thing that weakens the opponent. In particular it strengthening Nato is not necessarily ironic, and it seems like an oversimplification to even suggest it.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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I'm sorry, this is just Republican apologetics. This is about a single party. How in the world could you possibly suggest otherwise? I'd love to hear how Biden, Obama, or Clinton got us into forever wars. Or how they threatened allies. Or how they destroyed our trade or deal-making reputation. Where are the Democrat newscasters saying we should invade Canada? The figure heads calling for internment camps? Are we all…

The Iran war has demonstrated the US cannot adequately defend its allies in the region, regardless of bases, whose existence was predicated on them having that capability. No? All the current conflict has done is make obvious that reality.

It is interesting how many people seem to have failed to notice this absolutely crucial detail. Suddenly US bases are no longer seen as an asset but as an immediate risk.
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