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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

ekianjo wrote: post #270
vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

> Thank God for the French France has nowhere the military power to resist a country like the US. They have not invested in the military for a very long time and most of their equipment is completely outdated.

You don't need a lot of nuclear weapons to be able to say "Fuck off, or everyone dies". You just need enough, and the widespread belief that you'd actually use them.

France probably has enough, and is definitely credible in their willingness to use them.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by easytiger »

vrganj wrote: post #211
easytiger wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think there's a game theory scenario in the book where France launches a nuclear weapon at mainland USA over a land dispute between them and Denmark?

France has the only first strike nuclear doctrine in the world, with the specific policy of shooting nukes to "protect it's vital interests" , a term Macron has recently clarified "has a European dimension". Make of that what you will, but if I were you I wouldn't go around poking the hornets nest that has an explicit sign "these hornets will sting" attached to it.

How is Greenland a vital interest to France? Especially in the context of initiating a nuclear war with a friendly nation?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by greenavocado »

ekianjo wrote: post #480
vrganj wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France has completely sovereign nukes and the only first-strike nuclear doctrine in the world. It has the military power to resist any country.

France is never going to send a nuke to the US.

They already nuked America economically twice in the 20th century.

The first time the French involvement in gold markets caused the Great Depression and the second time the repatriation of gold caused a financial system crisis which severely damaged the dollar and forced the US to decouple the dollar from gold entirely.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by aprentic »

jacquesm wrote: post #452
aprentic wrote: post #392

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Motor-g doesn't seem to ship outside of Ukraine. That's totally understandable but for anyone outside of Ukraine, they effectively don't exist. Arctus asks you to contact them just for product info. It seems they just raised 2.6M in seed funding 3 months ago. It's great that there are startups in NL but that's not even close to a replacement for China's scale yet. Both of these may change the landscape in the future.…

> Motor-g doesn't seem to ship outside of Ukraine. They absolutely do. > Arctus asks you to contact them just for product info. You can order as much as you want from them, the price is right and the quality is extremely high. Indeed, they're not on AliExpress, but that's roughly the difference between being a producer in Europe and in China, and that is precisely the difference that you should be happy with.

Can you show me? Is this some privileged access that you get as an investor?

Its easy to verify that Motor-g does not ship outside of Ukraine. I just put 4 of their motors in a shopping cart and tried to check out. The drop down menu for destination country has a single option, Ukraine.

Arctus does not list a single price on their website. That's also easy to verify. Every single product on their website only says, "request product data", or "coming soon".

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by aprentic »

jacquesm wrote: post #451
aprentic wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I checked both the links in the other comment. While they satisfy the technical requirement of, "there exists an alternative" neither of them is generally available as a viable alternative to China.

They are for me.

This whole thread is in response to an attempt to someone trying to source parts to manufacture something in the US.

If "for me" is limited to some rich guy in the Netherlands, that doesn't solve the problem "for anyone else."

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by rozap »

lynndotpy wrote: post #220
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

This thread doesn't appear on the homepage, it is only on /active

So uh, threads with wrongspeak in them are still hidden.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by xiphias2 »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

Probably it's true from reputation standpoint.

Some people in Europe were not that happy when Biden told on public television that the Nord Stream pipeline will be blown up somehow, but luckily the media was good in not talking too much about it and later he listened to his own advisors better about how to communicate.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

vrganj wrote: post #293
ekianjo wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thank God for the French France has nowhere the military power to resist a country like the US. They have not invested in the military for a very long time and most of their equipment is completely outdated.

France has completely sovereign nukes and the only first-strike nuclear doctrine in the world. It has the military power to resist any country.

France's nuclear policy isn't unique in that they are willing to launch a first-strike (all the serious nuclear powers claim to be). France's nuclear policy is unique in that they are willing to use nuclear fire as a warning shot: before they launch their full strategic stockpile, they'll (probably) erase a military base or aircraft carrier with a tactical nuke. That lower threshold to break the nuclear taboo is what's interesting.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by collingreen »

jjtwixman wrote: post #34
jacquesm wrote: post #9

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Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries and that the US has somehow managed to all but erase that reputation. We recognize our debt, we also recognize that this is to a country that no longer exists in a meaningful way. All we have now is multiple variations of the mob.

Yeah the US we knew is gone. I think about this sometimes when I am listening to American music from the 20th century, how much soft power they had, how great they made America sound either directly or indirectly. That America that we all looked up to and admired is gone. Pity.

As an American I feel this way too - there is a nostalgia and disappointed yearning for what was probably a propaganda pipe dream. I find myself disappointed and indignant at the long list of bullshit we are doing right now but I'm surprised by my own extreme sense of betrayal over how we don't even -want- to be "the good guys" anymore. I know the US has a long history of evil, dont get me wrong, but until recently (~covid) I thought most of us at least wanted to be a positive force in the world.

For me, Dan Carlin said it perfectly - I want the America from the promotional material.

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