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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by srean »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

I think learned wisdom has institutional memory of a few generations only, unless mythologized.

Thus, some lessons need to be learned again and again. Some rights fought for again and again.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by verelo »

KaiMagnus wrote: post #97

And this is, in my opinion, why support at Hormuz shouldn’t even be on the table. How can you possibly hold joint patrols when you were just months ago planning full scale war between each other?

Also, the "was" in this title feels misleading. If they're not still, they're crazy.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by FpUser »

ta20240528 wrote: post #47
butILoveLife wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Nah mate, Rich powerful countries could also keep slaves and no one would be able to stop it by force. But they don't. Civilisation advances.

>"Rich powerful countries could also keep slaves and no one would be able to stop it by force. But they don't. Civilisation advances."

Judging by ever shrinking middle class, rise of poverty and few rich owning the rest of the world it is heading back to that state. Have nots are not slaves by definition but their lives are getting worse and worse and where does that end?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by kqr »

matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

The Apollo missions were the greatest scientific accomplishment by the Soviet Union. History repeats.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by originalvichy »

matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

Covid, Russia and the axis of US+Israel has done massive damage to the European psyche.

Covid showed us how economically dependent we are to major manufacturing countries like China. Paper money != ability to manufacture.

Russia broke any notion of peace that can be funded by cheap energy. It will always be a tool used against you, and Russia will not change.

The axis of US+Israel is breaking down the international system of laws and diplomacy. It’s going to be in a state even worse than the heights of the Cold War. Nukes are now a more favored instrument of peace compared to diplomacy.

Is it worth fighting for what we had, or should we fight for something better? Who knows.

(Edit: I don’t think non-Europeans can appreciate the whiplash suffered in our populations. In the span of around two years, European leaders drew red lines on political, economical and cultural decoupling from Russia based on human rights and the rule of law, then had to explain why preventable atrocities happening to civilians in the Mideast is not against our values and laws concerning human rights.)

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by srean »

jjtwixman wrote: post #34
jacquesm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries and that the US has somehow managed to all but erase that reputation. We recognize our debt, we also recognize that this is to a country that no longer exists in a meaningful way. All we have now is multiple variations of the mob.

Yeah the US we knew is gone. I think about this sometimes when I am listening to American music from the 20th century, how much soft power they had, how great they made America sound either directly or indirectly. That America that we all looked up to and admired is gone. Pity.

Did that US really exist without a self imposed convenience of blindness ?

The brutality of the School of Americas might indicate otherwise.

Now rebranded as

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_f...

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by KaiserPro »

ericmay wrote: post #18
jacquesm wrote: post #6

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That doesn't matter. It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that. It is about gross miscalculation of consequences. Attack Greenland ->attack Denmark, attack Denmark -> Attack the EU. So you don't attack Greenland. Because that would be wrong. Unless all that stuff about shining cities on hills was nonsense. Instead of making America gre…

The US wouldn’t even need to “attack” Greenland. What is there to even attack? 50 Danish soldiers? They could just say “that’s ours”, ignore whatever Europe says, and start doing whatever they wanted to do and instead force the EU to attack American forces or civilian business interests. I’m not suggesting this is a good idea or anything but there’s a ton of other ways that something like this could play out which in…

> What power has the US ceded?

Before this, we (large multinational infra company) were happily using AWS, microsoft and a bunch of other US based companies.

Now we are beginning the migration away, not because its cheaper or better, but because we just don't think that we can trust the contracts we have with them any more.

This isn't a sudden thing, we are not going to do it over night. But we are not renewing multi-million dollar contracts in the coming years for stuff that would have been a no brainer last year.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by mcv »

jjtwixman wrote: post #88
butILoveLife wrote: post #60

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OK but this is just an argument in favour of forever wars lol. That's realism I guess in the way that Nazi Lebensraum was also realism. > how quick Europe and Canada turned on the US It's YOU that turned on YOUR allies. YOU threatened to invade YOUR allies. Jesus fucking Christ. You are living in a different universe entirely. I agree that countries apparently can "turn on a dime" as you say, but it's not us that's "…

Exactly. It's the US that turned against its allies. Those allies are still loyal to each other; they didn't turn on anyone. Look at how many countries immediately sent troops to Greenland. There's no doubt who is the traitor and who is loyal here.

If you want to rule purely through hard power, you become Russia.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by 1over137 »

jacquesm wrote: post #6
throwa356262 wrote: post #2

Those Danes should study the Falklands war. Using F35 in this situation is like brining in a billion dollar paperweight to the battle.s

That doesn't matter. It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that. It is about gross miscalculation of consequences. Attack Greenland ->attack Denmark, attack Denmark -> Attack the EU. So you don't attack Greenland. Because that would be wrong. Unless all that stuff about shining cities on hills was nonsense. Instead of making America gre…

>It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that.

Um, lots of us have doubts about that. The USA couldn't win against Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq; why do you think it could win against Greenland? Greenlanders actually have a lot of guns; and likely most of Europe and Canada would also go to war against the USA.

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