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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ericmay »

ta20240528 wrote: post #193
ericmay wrote: post #156

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This kind of stuff masked you feel good to say but the UK isn’t going to stop the US if it (somewhat foolishly in my opinion) decided that it was going to take Greenland. Neither is the EU.

You are mistaking the battle for the war: Denmark / EU would no doubt lose the BATTLE for Greenland. Within hours. But the sun would rise the next day and the USA won't like the 'non-kinetic' consequences. Too many to enumerate. Eventually the adults in USA would just return it.

No it would be a point of no return. But the "non-kinetic" consequences would go both ways.

It's not an exercise we should entertain, though the EU needs to step up in a very serious way and spend billions of Euros adding new equipment to Greenland to beef up detection and defense.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by lm28469 »

kasperstorgaard wrote: post #277
lm28469 wrote: post #139

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> And this is, in my opinion, why support at Hormuz shouldn’t even be on the table Shouldn't? it's not on the table at all lol

Lars Løkke Rasmussen - Minister of Foreign Affairs, said just the other day on Genstart (podcast), that an EU solution for the Hormuz straight could be an option. This would probably be through Aspides.

Yeah, he's talking for himself, and begging for one, everyone else said "No." Danemark can keep their CIA bases and fuck right off to daddy trump if they want, nobody in Europe will follow them to a war in the middle east

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Post by vrganj »

ekianjo wrote: post #270
vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

> Thank God for the French France has nowhere the military power to resist a country like the US. They have not invested in the military for a very long time and most of their equipment is completely outdated.

France has completely sovereign nukes and the only first-strike nuclear doctrine in the world. It has the military power to resist any country.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by red-iron-pine »

srean wrote: post #170
empath75 wrote: post #12

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The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Nuremberg style judicial proceedings. Not necessarily with similar judicial executions. Fair trials and fair and exemplary punitive measures would be enough for me. I lost respect when Obama let Bush Jr administration off the hook. It essentially set the tone that it is ok to behave like that, that there would be no consequences.

nah the world needs to see there are consequences, and that the US can be trusted to follow through on them.

this kind of corruption and extortion, if in China, would see executions, e.g.

https://nordictimes.com/world/china-executes-senior-official...

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Post by estearum »

ekianjo wrote: post #270
vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

> Thank God for the French France has nowhere the military power to resist a country like the US. They have not invested in the military for a very long time and most of their equipment is completely outdated.

Ah but alas: have you considered that the US is increasingly run by actual idiots?

It turns out even Iran has the power to resist a country like the US.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by tartuffe78 »

iso1631 wrote: post #273
nickdothutton wrote: post #233

I think there is a pretty good chance US is in the late empire phase. This is not about a single President or party, or even single geopolitical event/development.

> This is not about a single President or party I've seen roughly two types of American commentators over the last year. The ones that cheer this stuff going on, which HN has plenty of, and the ones that think "come the midterms/2028/impeachment everything will go back to normal" The latter are massively mistaken, it would take decades for the US to rebuild its standing in the eyes of the world, and there is no evide…

He is also a singular political figure. I don't think things will go back to normal, but they won't stay the way there are now.

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Post by aprentic »

iso1631 wrote: post #279
1over137 wrote: post #120

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>It is not so much about whether the USA could do this and expect to win, of course they can. Nobody has any doubt about that. Um, lots of us have doubts about that. The USA couldn't win against Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq; why do you think it could win against Greenland? Greenlanders actually have a lot of guns; and likely most of Europe and Canada would also go to war against the USA.

Doesn't need to. America can just leave the towns alone and do whatever it wants elsewhere. It will cost a fortune, but nobody is going to go 500 miles over an ice pack to raid a US mining settlement.

I suspect its easier to find Greenlanders willing to do that than it will be to find Americans willing to work in that mining settlement.

Unless we go full evilmode and just run them with slave labor.

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Post by estearum »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #190

Keep in mind that militaries are always preparing for war. They have to. A military exists in large part to always be prepared for the unthinkable. And in the case of countries like Denmark who have few realistic enemy choices, that means they must be prepared for unrealistic invasions, even if the US isn't threatening to invade. Yes the Danes probably spend most of their time preparing to fight the Russians, but alw…

Hot take: Preparing to defend your country from an ally invading you is actually very bad and indicative of inexcusable behavior from your "ally."

> that means they must be prepared for unrealistic invasions, even if the US isn't threatening to invade.

It's not unrealistic to think the US would invade Greenland. We've now had 10+ years of this "it's a joke... no it's a bargaining chip... well it's overstated... okay it's temporary... ahh yes well this is Good, Actually."

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Post by iso1631 »

ericmay wrote: post #262
KaiserPro wrote: post #118

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> What power has the US ceded? Before this, we (large multinational infra company) were happily using AWS, microsoft and a bunch of other US based companies. Now we are beginning the migration away, not because its cheaper or better, but because we just don't think that we can trust the contracts we have with them any more. This isn't a sudden thing, we are not going to do it over night. But we are not renewing multi…

It’s interesting how these conversations always start and end with “my company isn’t buying XYZ American cloud provider services” while ignoring other incredibly important products and services that you can’t or are unwilling to boycott. Are you turning in your MacBook Pro and iPhone, or are you putting a bumper sticker on it saying you bought it before you knew America was crazy? Similarly, while it's great to take…

Macbooks are built in China.

Personally I have a Lenovo laptop (China) running Ubuntu (UK), on an LG monitor (Korea) with a logitech (Switzerland) mouse on an Ikea (Denmark) desk connected to a Mikrotik (Latvia) router.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

bko wrote: post #264
lynndotpy wrote: post #220

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I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

What does post-USA world mean? Who is the leader in culture, business, technology? The only other contender I can think of is China. And this is better?

Much better.

China is far more reliable and dependable than dealing with a lying narcissistic paedophile and his cronies.

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