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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by jeroenhd »

Every week, the USA finds a new way to lose credibility as a serious nation. If it weren't for the observably fair elections, you'd almost think America was being taken over from the inside by foreign infiltrators.

It's ludicrous to see the USA threaten to invade a well-connected European country, invade a South American country weeks after, and then now, three months later, beg its European allies to help with the invasion of Iran because ostensibly American leadership couldn't foresee that war in the Middle East might impact fuel prices. I still think it's a ruse to distract the European military by sending the navy to the Middle East but who knows with the current idiot in charge.

I hope the country will recover some normalcy in post-Trump decade(s), but I fear we're witnessing the slow collapse of a world power. Regardless of anyone's feelings on grip the East/West dichotomy has had over the world in the past 90 or so years, such shifts in world power rarely go calmly and peacefully.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by terminalshort »

jjtwixman wrote: post #88
butILoveLife wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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OK but this is just an argument in favour of forever wars lol. That's realism I guess in the way that Nazi Lebensraum was also realism. > how quick Europe and Canada turned on the US It's YOU that turned on YOUR allies. YOU threatened to invade YOUR allies. Jesus fucking Christ. You are living in a different universe entirely. I agree that countries apparently can "turn on a dime" as you say, but it's not us that's "…

That is the state of nature. It's not an argument. I don't argue in favor of "forever wars" for the same reason I don't argue in favor of gravity.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ta20240528 »

ericmay wrote: post #156
ta20240528 wrote: post #57

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You clearly don't know British understatement. Firing on one British officer would be as bad a firing on 10000. It's about lines.

This kind of stuff masked you feel good to say but the UK isn’t going to stop the US if it (somewhat foolishly in my opinion) decided that it was going to take Greenland. Neither is the EU.

You are mistaking the battle for the war: Denmark / EU would no doubt lose the BATTLE for Greenland. Within hours.

But the sun would rise the next day and the USA won't like the 'non-kinetic' consequences. Too many to enumerate.

Eventually the adults in USA would just return it.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Ekaros »

0xcb0 wrote: post #102

The United States are not longer an allie nor a friend to to EU. Under Trump, they have turned into a Terror regiem, ignoring international law, human rights. They have to be international isolated together with Israel. They are the enemy of a free and civilized world!

I think that started with Bush and continued with Obama. Who with his financial donators still walk free after committing mass murders.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by doom2 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #61
matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

> So much soft power has been lost. The worst part to me feels like US has lost trust and such soft power loss is irrecoverable no matter what happens now :/ A common statement I hear from people, or maybe its just what I think, but its like "How can we trust US after this" and hey mind you, Trump still has 3 years in office, but even if political parties change, how can we trust the whole system for not having anoth…

> Countries across the world will have to treat US as unpredictable from now on

Anyone who has studied American history knows the US has been unreliable. Just look at how they made and then broke treaties with Native Americans. It's part of the foundation of the country.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by easytiger »

jacquesm wrote: post #178
easytiger wrote: post #153

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I'm sorry but you are not interacting with the rational suppositions of posters in various threads here. No one is arguing for a war except you. People are explaining to you the strategic reality and you are espousing rhetoric that I honestly can't decipher. 1. Denmark cannot win militarily 2. You are suggesting Denmark would not capitulate and indeed enter into a state of war What do you think happens in this situat…

> I'm sorry but you are not interacting with the rational suppositions of posters in various threads here. The one thing that is common about 'rationalists' is that they share a lot of the viewpoints with other ra*ists and that's not the world many of us want to live in. Sure, you can take it. But can you afford to take it? The answer is most likely you can't. And so far every attempt to show John Mearheimers superio…

You have ignored any questions put to you in this thread. You are speaking in some kind of fervour I can't decrypt.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by jacquesm »

mcv wrote: post #101
jacquesm wrote: post #9

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Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries and that the US has somehow managed to all but erase that reputation. We recognize our debt, we also recognize that this is to a country that no longer exists in a meaningful way. All we have now is multiple variations of the mob.

The way you pay off that debt is not to the original liberator now turned oppressor, but by extending similar help to countries that are now in a similar bind as we were then. Like Ukraine. I really think we are morally obligated to liberate and help Ukraine. Our debt to the US has long been paid off. It was paid off when we submitted to their economic world order, when we bought their goods and their entertainment,…

> I really think we are morally obligated to liberate and help Ukraine.

I am doing what I can and then some, and to be complete I should mention I am aware of multiple other HN'ers doing their bit too.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by pogue »

The source of this post is this article from a site called dr.dk. Maybe someone can double check the validity of it.

Danmark forberedte sig på muligt angreb fra USA [Danish language - no native translation] https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/groenland/danmark-forbered...

Google translated URL: https://www-dr-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/indland/groenland/d...

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by techterrier »

krona wrote: post #100

I live very close to one of the USAF's largest European airbases. While Trump was trolling European leaders about their security posture (by threatening to relieve them of sovereign territory which the US already has extensive access to) the USAF was already moving assets in the opposite direction to the middle east (this was mid-january). It's fairly easy to work out what's happening if you ignore the orange man and…

> It's fairly easy to work out what's happening

off you go then, what is it?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by jacquesm »

srean wrote: post #184
jacquesm wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a tough question. There has always been a meddlesome quality to the USA that the rest of the so called developed world turned a blind eye to. Along the lines of 'their bastards, but at least they're our bastards'. Of course that does not make it good, but the balance calculation worked out in favor of toeing the line and being careful not to get pulled out of joint too much. 9/11 changed all that and effective…

"Meddlesome" is certainly a light way of labeling torture training. What I find more troubling is that Trump has popular support. It's just not Trump. The rot goes far deeper.

Fair enough.
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