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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Jensson »

kelipso wrote: post #152
Planktonne wrote: post #54

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You're forgetting several factors which undermine your analysis: 1. Denmark does have allies; they're not completely alone, and they're not completely helpless. 2. The US has a track record of invasions, but not one of successfully pacifying states. Resistance works. You're using the same simplistic logic as Russia invading Ukraine; you can't just compare population numbers and guarantee an immediate victory. There's…

The US is very good at turning a functional state into anarchy, razed buildings and infrastructure, and lots of death. It doesn’t really matter if the US can pacify Denmark after its population gets decimated. It’s pure posturing to pretend any government in the EU or NATO countries will do anything to resist.

> It’s pure posturing to pretend any government in the EU or NATO countries will do anything to resist.

Do you really think NATO wouldn't defend a NATO country being invaded? It isn't USA they are fighting against, it is just Trump, and that war wouldn't continue for many days before the congress decides to end it since USA doesn't want it. So I don't doubt NATO would go to defend Denmark there, since they know USA would remove Trump if they did.

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Post by dspillett »

bregma wrote: post #207
dspillett wrote: post #146

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Aye. Though those making a big noise about “Sleepy Joe” didn't seem to have a problem electing Drooling Dementia Drone Don.

There is no evidence that dozy Donny the paedo president has dementia. It's just that one of his personality traits is "Arbitrary". I can just imagine him saying, as he walks into the TV room in the Whitehouse, "I went to Glitterhoof's chamber and gave him a good tumble! It is good to be the king!"

> There is no evidence […] Donny […] has dementia.

Oh, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence, but nothing that would constitute proof without access to the results of a detailed medical examination. Source: watching the decline of family members, and others in the care home my mother is currently in.

The increasing randomness and apparent lack of concentration, the “resting his eyes” in some meetings, the leaning, etc. A lot of the signs could be other things of course, like just plain ol' age related decline. But if the people close to him don't at least have concerns, would he have been subject to the cognitive tests he is so proud of “winning”?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by torginus »

The F-35 is mentioned in the article as being readied for the defense of Greenland. I wonder what the 'easter-eggs' Danes would've found out about it if they went up against the US.

(I think I know, it has to do with how its 'stealth' works.)

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Post by terminalshort »

varispeed wrote: post #45
matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

> Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time Because US administration is compromised. Putin says jump, Krasnov asks how high.

Yes that is clearly the case. Obviously Putin told Trump to start seizing his oil tankers recently.

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Post by iso1631 »

srean wrote: post #170
empath75 wrote: post #12

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The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Nuremberg style judicial proceedings. Not necessarily with similar judicial executions. Fair trials and fair and exemplary punitive measures would be enough for me. I lost respect when Obama let Bush Jr administration off the hook. It essentially set the tone that it is ok to behave like that, that there would be no consequences.

Bush wasn't great with Iraq, but it was hardly the first bad foreign policy move the US has made, and Obama wasn't squeaky clean.

Jan 6th 2021 was the turning point.

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Post by vrganj »

terminalshort wrote: post #235
vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

History shows that Europe can't trust any inside powers either...

pre-EU history shows that, which is why we founded the EU in the first place.

To quote one of our founding fathers, Robert Schuman, the point of tightly interweaving our economies this way is to "make war not only unthinkable, but materially impossible"

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Post by HighGoldstein »

nxm wrote: post #31
empath75 wrote: post #12

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The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

If you hold the belief that the Trump administration (and Trump himself personally) have not commited a rather long list of crimes openly, you are either willfully ignorant or complicit. I do not care if this statement irritates you in any way. After a certain point, we are firmly in the realm of personal responsibility.

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Post by [deleted] »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #234
lynndotpy wrote: post #220

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I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world. I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech in…

> I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. They were being discussed a year ago, too, they just got flagged. Make sure to check /active

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by terminalshort »

the_af wrote: post #227
terminalshort wrote: post #192

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That is the state of nature. It's not an argument. I don't argue in favor of "forever wars" for the same reason I don't argue in favor of gravity.

Forever wars are a law of nature now? Such a cynical view of life. With this mindset, we can never change. We're stuck in the cycle of violence. I believe it can change. We need to get out of the "oh well, this is life" mindset and stop giving the hawks and warmongers a free pass.

The laws of human behavior are certainly less fundamental to the iniverse than the laws of physics, but, since we are humans, they are equally as binding on us.

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Post by bregma »

empath75 wrote: post #12
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Following the precedents of imprisoning and persecuting the previous regime on "corruption" charges established by the likes of much of Latin America, Pakistan, the Phillipines, and other similar countries will definitely mark the USA as a second-rate tin-pot dictatorship.

Maybe the predecessor regime is corrupt. Maybe not. But the first thing the new regime always does is to arrange the show trials to establish their own bona fides.

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