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Post by energy123 »

fluidcruft wrote: post #125
matsemann wrote: post #7

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

I'm of pretty mixed feelings about this. It certainly strengthened Europe's collective defense priorities and awareness. That response happens to include NATO but primarily because Europe is too weak without NATO. Europe used to be full of world powers and now they collectively can't manage collective defense without the US? There's something very learned-helplessness about that. And yes, it certainly has served Amer…

Kissinger warned about this in 1969:

> Tutelage is a comfortable relationship for the senior partner, but it is demoralizing in the long run. It breeds illusions of omniscience on one side and attitudes of impotent irresponsibility on the other

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by mcv »

i80and wrote: post #52
empath75 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

The absolute lack of consequences Trump faced after his first go-around all but guaranteed the crime spree we're now seeing, and will probably go down in history as the primary blunder of Biden's DOJ.

The precedent was already set by Nixon's pardon. The signal was clear: presidents suffer no consequences for their crimes.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by mailund »

fergie wrote: post #39

Thats probably what this was all about then (use Google Translate) -> https://www.nrk.no/norge/gradert-sak-behandlet-i-ekstraordin...

I don't think it's very likely that the emergency meeting in the Norwegian government yesterday was called because of the security situation in Denmark 3 months ago. Not unlikely that it is related to US-Europe/NATO relations ofc (although there are plenty of other things that would cause an emergency meeting as well, king has been hospitalized plenty of times lately, wife of the next in line is deep in drama due to both being revealed to have been close with Epstein and having a son that is currently in court for some pretty serious allegations, and sharing a border Russia that is currently waging hybrid warfare across europe)

Just for some additional context, these meetings are held every week, but this caused headlines because there was held an additional one outside of the normal schedule due to some classified time sensitive case, i.e. not something that happened in another country many months ago.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

doom2 wrote: post #195
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #61

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> So much soft power has been lost. The worst part to me feels like US has lost trust and such soft power loss is irrecoverable no matter what happens now :/ A common statement I hear from people, or maybe its just what I think, but its like "How can we trust US after this" and hey mind you, Trump still has 3 years in office, but even if political parties change, how can we trust the whole system for not having anoth…

> Countries across the world will have to treat US as unpredictable from now on Anyone who has studied American history knows the US has been unreliable. Just look at how they made and then broke treaties with Native Americans. It's part of the foundation of the country.

Within Geopolitical commentaries that I used to watch, A famous quote by Henry Kissinger is often repeated.

"to be an enemy of america can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal"

So yeah, America has never been trustworthy in a way but it still had its upsides and it still had some laws and checks and people still believed in some aspects of the American dream somewhat, Not anymore.

But now?,it has never been this less trustworthy either in a way to the whole world.

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Post by bko »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by terminalshort »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #67
nxm wrote: post #31

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Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

There’s probably a huge case for corruption. And of course he can be declared national threat and foreign agent. I mean, just look what Putin does within his constitutional limits. When there’s choice between the bad (block Trump and allies) and the worse (his ideas stay alive even if he is no longer in business), you have to choose something and then reflect not on what you just did, but how did you get there in the…

> There’s probably a huge case for corruption

Yes

> And of course he can be declared national threat and foreign agent

There is no evidence of that he is a foreign agent and there is no legal procedure (nor should there be) for declaring someone a "national threat."

> When there’s choice between the bad (block Trump and allies) and the worse (his ideas stay alive even if he is no longer in business)

This is inevitable and any government that tries to act against holders of an idea is a tyranny

> Legal matters are secondary, as long as majority is convinced that justice is served.

That is mob justice

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Post by the_af »

terminalshort wrote: post #192
jjtwixman wrote: post #88

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OK but this is just an argument in favour of forever wars lol. That's realism I guess in the way that Nazi Lebensraum was also realism. > how quick Europe and Canada turned on the US It's YOU that turned on YOUR allies. YOU threatened to invade YOUR allies. Jesus fucking Christ. You are living in a different universe entirely. I agree that countries apparently can "turn on a dime" as you say, but it's not us that's "…

That is the state of nature. It's not an argument. I don't argue in favor of "forever wars" for the same reason I don't argue in favor of gravity.

Forever wars are a law of nature now?

Such a cynical view of life. With this mindset, we can never change. We're stuck in the cycle of violence.

I believe it can change. We need to get out of the "oh well, this is life" mindset and stop giving the hawks and warmongers a free pass.

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Post by chewbacha »

dspillett wrote: post #146
chewbacha wrote: post #22

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Jake Tapper was on the case… against Biden.

Aye. Though those making a big noise about “Sleepy Joe” didn't seem to have a problem electing Drooling Dementia Drone Don.

Totally! I intended to imply that hypocrisy :)

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Post by Jensson »

pembrook wrote: post #173
Trasmatta wrote: post #124

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The US threatening to invade European territory, and Europe preparing to fight a war against the US, is absolutely "some interesting new phenomenon".

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Denmark is a part of NATO, attacking them would mean the entirety of NATO would go against USA, not just Denmark. It is reasonable to assume the entirety of NATO would put up enough resistance that USA had to withdraw from that war without getting Greenland, because Trump would get removed from office by being so hated by the people before the rest of NATO gave up.

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Post by terminalshort »

fzeroracer wrote: post #90
nxm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

Well, his administration has ignored the constitutional rights of this country multiple times at best, and at worst outright violated them resulting in killing American citizens with zero justice or recourse. There's a million different alternative reasons people could come up with, but we can just go with the classic 'treason' and line them up accordingly.

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